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  • RULES: 1-No spoilers (maybe just a little)  2-NO HATING people have their own opinions!  3- I will try to make more of these for Dex, Biana, Tam etc. once I read the series.

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    • Well, I personally like Sophitz. It just kinda goes, you know what I mean?

      LionRulersRoar

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    • Sokeefe all the way its my OTP 

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    • Sokeeefe because duh why not

      Though if Book 9 is the last book then we can already consider it to be a dead ship 

      WHYYYYYYY SHANON WHYYYYYYYY DO YOU DO THIS TO MOIIIIIIIIIIII

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    • Sophitz foreva!!

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    • All my Sokeefe shippers put your hands up!! 🙌🙌

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    • FOSTERKEEFE FTW!!! :D

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    • 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌sokeefe!

      ~Flareadon Phoenix 

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    • Gimme an: S! Gimme an: O! Gimme a: K! Gimme an: E! Gimme another:E! Gimme an :F! Gimme an: E again!

      YAAAAAAAAY!!!!

           SOKEEEEEFE! 
      


                             Sokeefe!
      
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    • wow.  so many SOKEEFEs!!

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    • He's i know right? I like sophitz

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    • Another score for sofitz! 

      Score: 7-Sokeefe 2-Sofitz

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    • SoKeefe for me

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    • We need more Sophitz shippers! lol

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    • SOKEEFE 4 LIFE!

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    • let's see if someone can write a 5-8 sentence long paragraph on why they like sokeefe or sofitz. I feel like a teacher...

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    • I'll be the first lol. 

      I ship Sophitz because I feel like they are meant to be together. Fitz was the first person to introduce her to the Lost Cities, and was the first elf to meet Sophie (besides Mr. Forkle). In the first book, Sophie implies in some ways that Fitz is handsome, and blushes at certain times that involves Fitz. Also, I believe Fitz has a crush on Sophie because in the last few books, Fitz starts getting protective of Sophie, and also gets jealous when Keefe says a comment about Sophie needing him (by him, I mean Keefe). Aaaaaaand, if you notice, Fitz always tries to hold Sophie's hand in the later books. He makes the excuse of them being cognates to hold her hand, but I believe thats not the only reason.

      That's all I have to say. Baii peeps!

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    • good job! anyone else?

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    • SOKEEFE!!!!

      ~Mallowmelt

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    • I think Sophitz is going to happen. I don't exactly ship it (I only ship canon ships), but I like it. Sophie has always had a crush on Fitz, but she's never stated she likes Keefe. Fitz seems to be getting a crush on her, too; there are tons of little hints, like the way she's associated with the fact telepathy is Fitz's favorite session. Fitz has gotten pretty protective and jealous around Sophie, especially when Keefe is involved. 

      In Nightfall, Keefe suddenly started looking more like an option. I think that was to drag the relationship thing out--by the end of Lodestar, Sophitz was almost canon. Fitz is a better long-term partner, too; Keefe unstable. I want this thing to be over, but I think Sophitz is going to happen. Also, I have no clue how the cognat thing would work if Sokeefe became a thing. Biana thinks Sophitz is practically there. I think all their friends know it, and Sohpie's the oblivious one again. 

      Also, Sophie feels jealous when Fitz is with Linh, but not when Keefe is with other girls. 

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    • There might be spoilers ahead not sure. If you haven't read Neverseen and up you won't really understand this.  Anyway. 

      I ship Sokeefe. I think Sophie and Keefe will end up together. Keefe needs Sophie. Does Fitz need Sophie? No. He has his family and friends. Who does Keefe have? No one. I remember reading this in Neverseen page 505 after Fitz said he's been in Keefe's situation:

      "Have you? Because I seem to remember you having a bummer few weeks and then everything went back to perfect Vacker-land. So where's my perfect fix? Why does it just keep spiraling and spiraling and spiraling?" I think Sophie will be Keefe's happy ending. He needs something in his life to go right. To go his way. 

      Only Sophie has kept Keefe from doing really stupid things. And most of the stupid things he's done are for Sophie. 

      Sure, maybe for 2 books Sophie didn't really like Keefe. But those feelings start to change in Everblaze. And in Neverseen, Sophie and Keefe grow even closer. He waits for her. He joined the Neverseen for her. He listens only to her. We already know Keefe likes her. But what about Sophie?

      Sophie is starting to like Keefe. Like when he read her emotions in Lodestar while being enhanced by her. He felt the emotions that were from her heart. In her head, she thinks he has a crush on Fitz which used to be based only on his looks. In her heart though, she likes Keefe. That's why he wouldn't tell her what the emotions he felt in her heart were. Sophie does get jealous of other girls being with Keefe. In Nightfall, there are plenty of moments like that. Sophie doesn't know why she gets jealous because she doesn't know her heart emotions. Sophie cares for Keefe and worries about him. Sophie and Keefe only grow closer and closer each book. I think Sophie now likes Keefe and Fitz equally after Nightfall. I hope she chooses correctly. Heck, she doesn't even have to choose. I mean, this is my not-so-humble opinion. Not SWM's. (I think I repeated myself multiple times lol)

      not reread or edited and I still got more to say

      btw I took a long time writing this so I had to write it on something else

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    • You can add all your Sokeefe arguments on this page:

      https://keefe-sencen.wikia.com/wiki/Sophie_%2B_Keefe:_Arguments

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    • Some1New, would you like for me to post your argument on the page?

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    • Of course you can. Thank you. :)

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    • Yay, that's great! Do you want a job on the Keefe wiki? You seem to be Keefe Fan

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    • Sure!

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    • Okay, so first you need to take an interview on the Keefe Wiki LC. We can do it right now if you want. 

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    • This page shows you what jobs are available

      https://keefe-sencen.wikia.com/wiki/Department_Heads_and_Managers

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    • Thanks!

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    • Mmm? If you want a job you can come on the Keefe Wiki Chat right now and I can take your interview. 

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    • I believe that Sophitz is perfect because they 1. Care for each other a LOT, 2. Fitz is constantly showing signs of liking her (gifts, being protective, getting jealous ex.), 3. Sophie balantly admitted that she liked him in the book, 4. They almost kissed!  5. They're cognates, so they trust each other more than anyone else.

      Then again, that's just my opinion.

      LionRulersRoar

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    • sophitz!! (these are the resons that are not listed)

      1. they are cognates. if sophitz saled, there conection and telepathy would be UNSTOPABLE!!!!!

      2. why is her favorite color teal????

      3. why is fitz favorite ripplepuffs chocloete and mint??? 

      chocolet: sophie's eyes

      mint: fitz's eyes

      4. why does sophie like the rings TO much???

      5.alden has helped sophie so much in the past. why not keep it up??

      I still got tones more to say, but my hands are way to sore.

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    • Fitz's eyes aren't green -_-

      And also need I remind you that Keefe is the Master Gift-Giver?

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    • Mint is mint green and teal is very similar. I think it's a good theory.

      LionRulersRoar

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    • Here are the reasons I ship Foster-Keefe:

      1. Even with all of Keefe's betrayals, Sophie has never given up on him

      2. Add up the moments on the Foster-Keefe page and compare them to the moments on the Sophitz page :)

      3. Keefe is waaaaay better at giving gifts than Fitz. Remember the Riddler incident? And the rings were really only just cuz they were cognates... And Keefe gave the necklace (which saved Sophie's life) and the paintings (which earned him a hug from Sophie).

      4. Keefe CLEARLY has a crush on Sophie. And Sophie likes him too.

      5. Remember that time in Lodestar when Keefe was smiling about Sophie's heart emotions? ;)

      6. Sophie and Keefe are WAY less awkward together. Think about it a little. Besides, Keefe's way better at flirting and teasing her than Fitz...

      7. Sophie and Fitz have had maybe 1 thing to test their trust. In that one incident, Fitz completely shut Sophie out. Sophie and Keefe have had TONS of things. And each one has strengthened their relationship a bit more...

      I could spend all day on this subject, but I'll do you a favor and only post these 7 right now. :)

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    • I know you guys question the head feelings vs. heart feelings, so I think it's fine when I ask why do you ship Sophitz because Fitz's favorite flavor of ripplepluffs is mint chocolate? I think it's great that someone can come up with a reason like that, but it doesn't seem like a valid reason. Sorry if this offending anyone. You don't have to take me seriously. Honestly, I'm just a fangirl.(that plays mindcraft and watches utubb)

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    • SOKEEFEEEE!!!!

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    • Sophitz is amazing  more reasons when I have time...

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    • No, teal is a shade of blue, while mint green is a shade of, well, green. Besides, if you look at a leaf of mint it's not that artifical, bluish color you see on packs of gum... actually, in chocolate-mint candies, the mint is usually white.

      And I do see one other problem - what if Fit's favorite flavor has always been chocolate-mint? 

      I won't stop you from shipping sophitz, but I think the chocolate-mint thing is creative, but I don't think it's a valid theory :/

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    • true! Although my favorite falovor of ice cream is mint (that was really random)

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    • Yeah, I understand that it's not a valid reason, just applauding the creativity on the idea.

      LionRulersRoar

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    • Keefe has broke her trust lots more times than Fitz has. And she still trusts him! Would that happen with Fitz? Probably not. If either one of them broke their trust with each other, the Cognates thing can't work anymore! Plus, Keefe gives way better presents than Fitz does.

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    • I definitely love team foster-keefe and feel like sophitz is too obvious. I also don't think fitz and sophie would work well in a romantic relationship.

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    • I love the color teal, but I ship sokeefe. So I feel just because she loves the color of fitz's eyes isn't a valid reason they are "perfect" for each other.

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    • I totally ship sokeefe! They are ment for each other! Sophie needs Keefe to help her through her tough times and Keefe needs Sophie to help him with tough parent situations. I personally think Fitz is annoying, but not hating on anyone who likes then together!

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    • Sophitz all the way!!! S! O! P! H! I! T! Z! SOPHITZ!!!!!!!! or fitzphie. They're cute either way!!!😆😆

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    • yes! ^

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    • Okay, okay, I understand that Sophie's deal with Fitz's eyes isn't a valid reason, but it's a cute one! And the thing about Sophitz being too predictable, okay, since when did anyone care that a ship is too predictable? I mean, Percy and Annabeth were predictable! Meilin and Rollan were predictable! Harry and Ginny were predictable! Katniss and Peeta were predictable! And everyone ships them!!! And honestly, at this point in the series, Sokeefe is incredibly predictable. Sure, everyone knew in the first, like three books that Sophitz was probably going to happen, I know that's how I felt all through the first book, then Sokeefe was introduced in Exile and then Neverseen is pretty much the reason that Sokeefe blew up so bad!

      LionRulersRoar

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    • Well, Harry and Ginny wasn't super predictable throughout the whole series.

      And of course, some books gave Sokeefe attention. Some books gave Sophitz attention. (ahem Lodestar). 

      Who said Sokeefe was unpredictable? It might not be unpredictable it's just not as predictable as Sophitz. 

      ANd well actually the first book wasn't super Sophitz or Sokeefe because Sophie was being #FRIENDZONED or #LITTLESISTERZONED by Fitz and Keefe seemed like a typical bad boy. 

      sorry if this was rude. it wasn't meant to be. it probably shouldn't be actually considering the title of this message thing specifically says

      NO HATE

      i think we all kinda forgot that part. I'm not just directing this at one person

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    • @LionRulersRoar

      And thats why I those two are my least favorite Keeper books. 

      Also, Its kinda proven since (Like you said) almost everyone shipped sophitz in the first three books. 

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    • Except... I didn't ship Harry/Ginny :P

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    • I'm reallllly hoping someone new comes into the books, so if team foster-keefe happens, fitz won't be alone love-wise.

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    • Guys, I wasn't hating, I completely respect that you like your ship, and I like mine. But, technically, this is a debate like thread, so I was debating. (I also get frustrated when people say Sophitz is too predictable).

      @Rain The FanWing

      I wish there were better candidates for Fitz and Keefe. I mean, who else is there for Keefe? Biana? No-one really supported that ship in the beginning. Linh? Doubtful. He hates her brother and there's literally no spark between them. Marella? That might be the closest to happening since they are so alike, but no-one ships them either.

      And Fitz's isn't any better. Obviously Biana's out of the picture, and he shows zero interest in Marella. The best we can get would be Linh, and Lylie/Winh is just too probable too deny it.

      And where's Sophie going to go if neither Sokeefe or Sophitz work out? Sophex has already been sunk, and Tam has too many other suitors that fans are rooting for.

      Seriously, these three are doomed. They've gotten so wrapped up in each other that they don't even consider what will happen if it doesn't work out... Except maybe Fitz, LOL. He at least tried for an out. Meanwhile, Sophie's pulling a Dex on Fitz, and Keefe's pulling a Dex on Sophie.

      Again, not hating.

      LionRulersRoar

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    • ^Sorry! 😅 my comment wasn't directed at you! I was just reminding everyone that we kinda need to try to not hate each other. 

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    • Oh and good point.

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    • ^ it's fine, just making sure I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. And thanks!

      LionRulersRoar

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    • now im just torn between the two!!!!!!!! WHYYYYYYYY

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    • Um.. Sophitz. But I would be ok with sokeefe.

      -belafromdaBlackSwan

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    • I have some good arguements on the Sophitz page, just posted one last night. (BTW, it is a reply to someone) 

      -bellafromdaBlackSwan

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    • Alexa, are you here??? 

      -bellafromdaBlackSwan

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    • Sokeefe was made to be. Look, Sophitz was dead the moment Lihn came into the story.

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    • 73.70.210.203 wrote:
      Sokeefe was made to be. Look, Sophitz was dead the moment Lihn came into the story.
      -Sokeefe
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    • uh, definitly Sophitz!!!

      I mean, i know a lot of people hte hm from exile, but hes trying to make it up! he keeps saying that hes going to try to make it up anyways, and keefe just messed up so bad in the 6th book when they went to see dimitar, and yet, he only says hes sorry. He needs to appreciate sophie more, and not just tease her so that biana will get a hint. Im just so upset because so many ppl ship sokeefe but sophie has liked fitz since day one, and fitz starts liking her back almost instantly, and keefe teases her and says things that make her heart race just to tease her. He shouldn't tease her like thta! I know its only a book, but i rrl think sophie should end up with fitz, because shes known she liked him forever. OMG i just love sophitz so much tho im actually going to cry if sokeefe happens.

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    • I've read a lot about how Sophie's brain emotions really like fitz and heart emotions like Keefe (I'm probably not explaining that very well). I think that actually makes a lot of sense. I feel like sophie's gotten closer to Keefe in the last few books than to fitz.

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    • Sophie hasn't flat out said she likes Keefe but with Fitz her heart races and other things, and in nightfall those things were happening with Keefe.

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    • Sophitz ALL THE WAY!!! I love repaying the parts with Sophitz!

      my argument is that even though she know she has feelings for Fitz it’s also in her heart because she says multiple time that when Fitz smiles her heart has that fluttery fealing. And that’s only part of my evendance. 🙃 and this is all just my opinion it’s totally cool if you disagree! But btw I still love Keefe! He is sooo hilarious! But I don’t think Sophie and him would be right together but again just my opinion! 🤗 finally I just want to say how much I LOVE KOTLC! I was totally lost and hand know books to read but then I found KOTLC and it is my new favorite book! Can’t wait to read FLASHBACK!!!! (I orges the b&n exclusive!) 😆 

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    • Sorry not orges ordered my bad 😁

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    • I ship Sokeefe more than anything!

      I actually have valid reasons though.

      1. When they flirt, it's not awkward. Keefe's teasing is adorable, and they don't have the stereotypical mushy moments.

      2. Fitz is too perfect. Like he's legitimitally almost perfection. Keefe is flawed, but Sophie doesn't mind the flaws. They were able to get past betrayals and tragedies, and Keefe doesn't shut Sophie out.

      3. Keefe is always smirking about Sophie's emotions around him. ALWAYS.

      4. Everyone expects Sophitz to happen, but Sokeefe is the underdog here!

      5. Just because Fitz was rude in Exile and tries to make it up to her does not mean she'll like him. Giving her stuff is not the answer.

      6. Keefe always knows what to say in any situation, because he's put everything on the line for Sophie and knows what makes her tick.

      7. FLUTTERY MOMENTS HAPPEN WITH BOTH GUYS NOW!

      8. Opinion: her brain tells her she likes Fitz but her heart tells her it's Keefe. Don't fight me.

      9. Who does she let come over every single day basically? Who does she let in her ROOM all the time? If Fitz is coming over, it's not being discussed. But she's with Keefe for a majority of the time.

      10. Cognate thingies will get screwed up

      11. They're like adorable just make it happen Shannon!

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    • SPOILERS FROM 1-6 BOOKS!!!!!



      I ship Sokeefe all the way! Doing school sucked when I read that Fitzphie was "official". I felt like Sophie on her zombie days!!! I have a few reasons for why I ship Sokeefe:

      1. Like everyone says, Fitz and Sophie are "perfect". But (I know I'm not a romance expert) real relationships are made from all of the hardships of life. I feel like if anything happened bad happened with Fitzphie the ship would sink. But Keefe and Sophie have been through hardships and troubling times together and they still managed to stay friends. Real true realationships last through all the hardships.

      2. Every reckless or bad desision Keefe did was for Sophie. During his bedrest time in Nightfall he satyed on bedrest FOR HER. He painted those pictures FOR HER. And after Sophie found out that Mr. Forkle as alive HE asked HER how SHE was doing before anything else.

      3. Keefe has no one. (No offense Keefe) But, I mean. Seriously. Fitz has Linh. BTW as you can tell I ship Litz. I know, I know! Am I crazy! I just think Fitz and Linh are better. I imagine Wylie as a Councillor. Anyway. Like I was saying. Keefe has no one. I mean Keefe and Biana is gone. Keefe and Linh are not compatible. When Linh does all her water tricks Keefe has never once stared and gone WOAH! And Marella I think would be better with Dex. So Keefe only really has Sophie... or no one. And I sure am rooting for Sokeefe. 

      Anyways, that's my opinion. Please no hate! I was just voicing my own opinions. Like all of us! No hate towards anyone else! Just my opinion. Also, I will be on board with whatever SWM chooses for Sophie. There is a reason we have authors. To make tough decisions. I'M NOT HATING ON ANYONE!!!!!! JUST MY OPINIONS!!!! 

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    • WHAT IF SOPHIE DOESN'T END UP WITH EITHER?!?!? I know it's a stretch but wow what if it did happen? All this debate and none of us would be right (except me lol).

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    • I actually hoped that for a bit, and it would be a nice resolve in my opinion.

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    • Please tell me theres at least one person here who remembers dexphie? (And yes ik he got rejected) and also anyone up for not straight keefe?

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    • I REMEMBER DEXPHIE!! I never shipped it during its time, though once it sunk I shipped it hard...

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    • Yeah but now its down to my last hope on sokeefe while my friend keeps yelling at me that it aint gonna happen

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    • Sokeefe should get some time in the limelight

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    • (any one else here cry when dex got rejected)

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    • Almost--It was so sad he became less relevant afterward as well

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    • ^ Yeah, Dex is not who I ship with Sophie, per se, but I ship their friendship, if that makes any sense. So I wish they could just be friends, you know? And Dex needs more appreciation. 

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    • SuldreenSong wrote:
      Sokeefe should get some time in the limelight

      I agree like it has to happen

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    • Bib·li·o·ma·ni·ac wrote:
      ^ Yeah, Dex is not who I ship with Sophie, per se, but I ship their friendship, if that makes any sense. So I wish they could just be friends, you know? And Dex needs more appreciation. 

      Dex has become kinda extra and sidelined since the group expanded, he deserves so much more!

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    • Sophitz obviously

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    • I ship Sophitz! (No Hate on other Ships! <3 )

      Who brought Sophie to the lost cities? Fitz! Who let her cry on his shoulder when she had to drug her family? Fitz! Who has been Sophie's crush from the beginning? Fitz! I can name millions of other reasons! Fitz has always been there for Sophie through it all! Please don't hate for this is MY opinion, and it may differ then yours!

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    • I totally ship Sophitz. But I think the chocolate -mint ripplepuff thing is a huge stretch.

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    • But if anyone gets the extra fitz pov can you post a link pls? It could be a huge sophitz moment!

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    • Yes please I would want the Fitz pov too

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    • Sopitz, because Duh

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    • Oh and SparklyAlicorn if you say sopitz why is your avatar Sokeefe?

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    • No hate to sphitz shippers but i have one question: why does sophie have a crush on fitz? His looks and not his personality (its been this way from the beginning) FOR EXAMPLE in the first book she really only gets a crush on him from his looks and that leaves me to believe that if he didnt look good she would of never got a crush on him in the first place and that would mean as she started to learn more about his personlity she probably would have friendzoned him instead of having a crush of him. But to sum it up i thing that if fitz didnt look goodnthe crush would go bye bye and the friendzone would come in. PLEASE CORRECT ME FOR ANY SPELLING IM POSTING THIS ON PHONE AND IM BAD AT TYPING ON PHONE THANK YOU

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    • Thats my reason for shipping sokeefe (or keephie)

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    • 24.208.88.138 wrote: Oh and SparklyAlicorn if you say sopitz why is your avatar Sokeefe?

      I am SoKeefe, I just wanted to know if anyone has that pov so I can read it lolol 😂

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    • sokeefe

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    • Sophitz all the way

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    • SOKEEEEEFE

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    • In case this wasn't blatantly obvious, I'm a Sophitz shipper.

      I believe that they would make an amazing couple. They are always there for each other and push each other to be the best versions of themselves. Sophie helps Fitz with his anger and just generally makes him a better person; Fitz helps Sophie with her self-esteem and strengthens her. They would make an amazing pair.

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    • I used to ship Sophitz hardcore. Then I had just leaned towards it. For a while I was so neautral and would've be happy either way. Now--well I dropped it for a reason. So, Sokeefe!

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    • sure, Sophitz is cute, and I actually think they'd be fine dating for a while- but I can never imagine things just being- normal. Sophie never really confides her secrets into anyone, and though it seems like oh, sure, she can stop, it's a habit- but do you know who she tells at least half of the time, when it's not concerning himself? Keefe. It was heartbreaking to watch him in the book, and I have to admit, that's the only time I cried. darn, now my book is wet.

      I honestly can't imagine keefe without sophie in his life, it would break him, literally, and sophie would likely feel something missing without that constant relaxation, that little laughter that everyone needs.

      I guess my lil baby's happy, sophie, I mean- but keefe isn't- and he's breaking, and I know some people ship sophitz because they just don't like keefe- okay, you don't have to like keefe, but don't wish a lifetime of being depressed on him.

      can you imagine keefe, in the future, stuck with some pompous girl, as he slowly turns into a very depressed, and harsh lord cassius? I know you think that wouldn't happen, but it could- anything could happen, which is why, message, to all sokeefe shippers who are giving up hope-

      don't

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    • sophitz 4 lifeeeeeeeee 

      i dont think messengers just gonna make keefe sit in the corner like a piece of dust for the rest of his life.its like nott possible like just NO.  and the chances are (for me) that keefe turning in to lord cassius are just wrong. and slim. sokeefe is cute but just i cant see it being well-long term i guess. i see that more in fitz. sry sokeefe peeps ;( 

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    • Also, Sophie may confide in Keefe, but I’m guessing all of you guys have that one person who you tell all your secrets, now imagine them and think of dating them. I’m guessing most of you don’t like that person in that way, and they were just easy to tell your secrets to. And another thing is, it’s revealed in Flashback that Fitz does have a crush on Sophie, and has for a while now. And even though it’s cliche, they ARE cognates, and how would that work out if Sophie ended up with Keefe? And another thing is, them being congnates would help their relationship strengthen until there was absolutely nothing between them.

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    • As soon as spoilers are permitted, I'll add my reasoning--I stayed neautral for year, so I have to have a pretty good reason in my opinion to have dropped Sophitz, which I'll mention--Tomorrow, I think.

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    • I still ship sokeefe, I could go on for HOURS and I actually dedicated a chapter in my Wattpad about it but I WILL SHIP SOKEEFE FOREVERRRRR

      • waves Sokeefe flag*
      • dramatically types Sokeefe stories*
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    • I've always enjoyed Sokeefe fanfic more, and then for mobths I leaned toward Sophitz a bit. huh. What's your wattpad thing? 

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    • I ship Sophie and Fitz, but I think most of the reasons I would use to back that up are already on this page, so here is a question I have had for a while: What is the difference between Sofitz and Fitzphie?

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    • Sophitz was the original ship name, as referred to frequently in Neverseen, Fitzphie cam up later when referenced by Keefe and Tam in Nightfall to now..Sometimes alternate names are still mentioned, but those two are just the most common. Technically there is no difference, but Keefe refers to it as Fitzphie as a regular thing now, only saying Sophitz usually in the case of some cognate stuff where Sophie takes the lead.

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    • I <3 Sophitz!!!!

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    • @suldreensong My Wattpad account is Ligitlass, and if your a fan of endless Sokeefe rants...yeah 😂😂😂😂😂😂Sokeefe just seems so much more BEAUTIFULLLL to me 😂😂

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    • Kay, I look at it :)

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    • Sophiana!! But if i had to pick, it would be Sokeefe, totally.


      ”Fix me, foster” that was just... shudder



      -LunaTheCritic

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    • the way I know which ships are true is when my chest tightens and I literally can't breath.

      that moment where linh hid behind wylie though *internal screaming*

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    • I'm stuck on Litz or Wylinh though! Just can't choose. Although, if Linh went with Wylie, Fitz would probably have to become a Councillor or be alone forever. Or go with Marella... but I just can't see that happening. Fitz isn't my favorite character (he gets too mad too often!) But he should be with SOMEONE.

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    • Rain The FanWing-True, I can relate to that.

      The Musterious Miss N- I see your point—

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    • ,*Mysterious

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    • I ship sophitz

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    • Mallowmelt1234 I agree! But i do think that sophies not going to have a "man" at the end. I kind of like her single.

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    • I wonder if there's like a single fiction book in the world that doesn't have those little hints of a ship, or people ship them anyway

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    • Hmmmmm, well I've read books about friendship that were not regarding anything romantic and people still shipped the friends...

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    • @suldreensong 

      yas yas yass i do that allll dayyyy :) :) 

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    • sophitz

      The ship moments in flashback are cute to death

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    • ikr :)

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    • Ok I ship sophitz!! Although I call it fitzphie bc it is cuter. And I know u asked for no spoilers but let’s face it.

      I’m flashback fitz admiys to Sophie he likes her and Sophie admits it too. He says the only name he wants to see on his matchmaking list is Sophie’s!!

      Why is Sophie’s favorite color teal?

      Fitz calks her the ONLY person he trusts

      Sophie and fitz are cognates

      They always hold hands

      I know everyone is all mad about the way Sophie was treated by fitz in exile. And I’m not saying it was right because it TOTALLY wasn’t. But when fitz gets mad he takes it out on the people he loves the most (Sophie) but if course he doesn’t mean it!!

      In the later books guys shows signs of protectiveness and jealousy

      They almost kiss TWICE (sorry flash back spoiler)

      In Lode Star, when they are searching Keefes room, Grizel says something about making fitz dance as well as Sandor. And he says to Sophie: if I’m dancing u are SO dancing with me! Anyone else think that is a red flag he wants to dance with her??

      So yes I am a fitzphie shipper, but as far as my favorite male character it’s defunatly Keefe!!! And don’t get me wrong I LOVE team foster-keefe but when it comes to ships I think fitzphie wins

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    • I've read Flashback and still ship sokeefe. I think sokeefe still has a chance. I went to a shannon Messenger flashback event and she said she hasn't decided on a ship yet. She talked a lot about keefe at the event and how she might write a story in Keefe's POV. One of the questions she answered was what character (in any series,book, etc.) Is sophie most like/ likely to be friends with. Shannon answered Annabeth (from the percy Jackson books). She said they could trade tips on how to deal with Keefe and Percy. I know she didn't like confirm sokeefe or anything, but this just gave me so much hope for sokeefe! That got me thinking how similar Percy and Keefe's personalities are and Annabeth and Sophie's are! I mean we all know what Percy and Annabeth's relationship is like!!! (*cough* dating *cough*)

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    • Sophie had a crush on Fitz before she had even talked to him. Which makes me think her attraction toward Fitz is based on looks. I mean she knows him better now but still... there romantic relationship just doesn't feel right, they just don't click the way Sophie and Keefe do.

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    • Wow. Lots of greeat arguments on this page. I'm a Sokeefe shipper, and I have been since book two. And @A FANDOM user (the one who posted right before this) I agree with you. Her feelings for Fitz initially started based on his looks, and I think that's what persuaded her to spend more time with him. Also the fact that he is too a Telepath and because of Alden. With Keefe though, she notices he's good looking, but they really only start getting close in Exile. She starts spending time with him because they have a mutual problem and want to fix it together...not because she thinks he's 'cute.' And she spends time with him after Exile because she starts to like the real Keefe, not just because of his ability or his looks. Also, Fitz shuts everyone except for immediate family out when something happens, even Sophie, and I know, he apologizes profusely afterwards with gifts and everything...but Fitz can't control himself when he's mad. No matter how much he tries to prevent it, it just might happen again, and the only thing he can do it apologize afterwards. Plus, Sophitz has only been through one major hurdle, that was Exile, and it didn't go so well.Sokeefe, though, even after Keefe unknowingly put Sophie in danger numerous times,and even betrayed them, she didn't stop trusting him. And she's the only one who's seen the other side of him, the broken one. Also, in Flashback, Fitz says he started to like her around the time they joined the Black Swan, whereas, with Keefe, it's obvious he's like her from book 2, maybe even book 1. Okay last point. When Sophie's around Fitz, she's a little too self-conscious. For example, in Neverseen, when she thought about telling Fitz she liked him, she was worried about his reaction, and she even thought he might laugh. This proves that Sophie isn't always sure about what Fitz will say, do, or think, hence...she doesn't know him well enough. With Keefe, she can tell when he's about to do something reckless, like in Neverseen, after Keefe got the memory about the Lodestar initiative back and locked himself up in his room, Sophie stayed up and waited for Keefe to come out of his room, because she knew he was going to try and fix things on his own...by going to Ravagog alone. She then convinces him to do otherwise, and this is the same vice-versa. Keefe always knows when she needs calming down, and sends her mental breezes. So I think Keefe and Sophie just balance each other out, and bring out the good in each other. Okay, so this is all for now. Im not sure if this has any plot or relationship holes...please feel free to point them out!Sorry if this offended anyone; I don't mean any hate towards Sophitz shippers or Fitz. This is just my opinion and some of the reasons I think Sokeefe works best. And wow this ended up super long

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    • rants like this anger sophitz and encourage sokeefe because we are darn dying help

      tHANK YOU HUMBLE USER

      I was re-reading exile yesterday, and I feel a spurt of anger everytime sophie groans, internally thinking keefe is only a troublemaker, literally not able to do anything right. He accidently says something about his family and she doesn't even feel a stab of pity. I then remember this is right before they set off and he praticially risks his life five times for her, that's when their relationship starts to grow, when sophie doesn't see him as a small annoyance, but a friend, someone who'd actually help, and not just laze around.

      i've written from keefe point of view, but it was the first book, and I didn't know how to place his feelings for sophie, as they didn't know eachother that much, heck I still haven't figured it out

      I have a challenge for those who are daring, and don't care what's highlighted in books. Sophitz shippers, highlight all the sokeefe moments you can find, sokeefe shippers, highlight all the sophitz moments you can find,

      do it in green, yellow, or even shiny red or something, it helps you understand the other side.

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    • totally  agree

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    • Sofitz forever!

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    • whoevers read flashback, told you😌 sophitz just works

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    • For everyone who uses Flashback as the final say in these ships just know that Shannon Messenger still hasn't decided on which ship (she said this at a flashback event so even after flashback she still doesn't know.) I have shipped sokeefe since book two and flashback didn't sway me in the slightest towards sophitz. Sokeefe has this adorable chemistry! Their personalities just click so well!❤

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    • At a flashback Shannon Messenger event Shannon said Sophie's personality is a lot like Annabeth's (from Percy Jackson), and then later said Keefe's personality is like Percy's (from Percy Jackson). I mean I have to agree they are so similar! And I mean Annabeth and Percy are dating, and are endgame.

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    • ADD another point for SOPHITZ!!! THey were meant to be!!

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    • Sophitz You wanna know why? Read this: Fitz means " son of the king" and Sophie means "wisdom," "wise," and "pretty." Roy (the second half of Fitz's first name) means "seeker of wisdom", which implies that Fitz is seeking Sophie

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    • Guys if u really are keeper fans u would care about who sofie wants and she likes fitz. And I know u think im crazy but seriously, she and fitz are cognates and they both like each other so 😍😍😍. Fitzphie 4 eva😘😘😘😘

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    • And I know everyone who ships sophie and keefe ship them because they think keefe is cute. Sokeefe fans:noooo🙄🙄🙄 Me:don't try to deny it Sokeefe fans : *blush* Me:told you

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    • SOPHITZ!!! 

      So first off Sophie liked Fitz since the very first time she met him. He is perfect for her..(Even Keefe admits it). Fitz really cares about her, and gets jealous when Keefe is alone with her. At the Shannon Messenger event I went too, Shannon said that she intended for Sophie to end up with Fitz, but then she wrote about Keefe. She said that in the end though, Sophie is going to end up with Fitz. Here are some Sophitz moments in the first two books. I LOVE FLASHBACK!!! SOPHITZ ROCKS

      Sophie's heart flutters involuntarily when she first meets Fitz, saying his smile belonged on a movie screen.
      Fitz saved Sophie from the telephone pole.
      It takes Sophie 30 words to describe Fitz’s eyes.
      Fitz catches her when she slips on the rocks in Atlantis.
      Fitz tightened his grip on Sophie’s hand when Biana glared at them and Sophie tried to pull her hand away.
      Fitz made sure she had Ella before she visited Elwin.
      When Sophie told Fitz she was afraid of doctors, Fitz said that if she hated Elwin he would let her punch him. After that, she really hoped that Elwin was a good doctor.
      Sophie’s favorite color is teal after she meets Fitz.
      Sophie knocks out both of them after the splotching match, and freaks out when she sees Fitz unconscious in Elwin’s office with her.
      Sophie loved her nexus too much when she realizes that it was Fitz’s.
      Sophie spends a long time picking out a personal gift for Fitz. 
      Fitz carried Sophie to Elwin when she had her reaction to limbium.
      When Sophie comes back from fading away, she finds out Fitz didn’t leave her side from the moment they brought her to Everglen.
      Fitz catches Sophie when Vika shoves her.
      Sophie is willing to suffer her headaches to keep transmitting to Fitz
      Sophie was excited when she found out Fitz was in her Telepathy sessions.


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    • Yaaassss 😍😍SOPHITZ😘😘

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    • SOPHITZ for ever

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    • Sophitz for me

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    • There is alot of sophitz and im also a sophitz

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    • Sophie an fitz are destined to be together

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    • Sophitz💓💓💓

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    • Another point for sophitz

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    • Definitely sophitz dah, they are soul mates

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    • ^The last 8 replies were all done by the same person, why do I find this hysterical? 😂😂😂

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    • Shannon Messenger confirmed a ship at the meeting?

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    • ^I doubt it, she's HIGHLY secretive.

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    • Now that Flashback happened, there's really no reason to argue whether people like other people or not, all of that is up in the air. They're both good ships, both have amazing points- the thing we need to debate now, is which one will win out in the end. Which will result in an everlasting partnership? because little moments that are 'cute' don't instantly sell that.

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    • Sokeefe....whoa how old is this thread?

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    • @BlackSwanSRM

      Idk, I usually just randomly reply Sokeefe! at random times ^.^

      SOKEEFE! 

      lol

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    • Sokeefe!

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    • Oof, I've never shipped Sophitz.

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    • Same lol

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    • Sooo, as for the long term partnership thing, I believe that Fitz is by far the better option. I do love Keefe’s character but I don’t think that he’s a long time partner for Sophie. He’s unstable and eventually something has to happen about his mom, which is just going to make him more unstable, especially since his dad is already a jerk. Sophie’s going to need supportive in-laws that have helped her since the beginning, ALDEN AND DELLA!! Also, Biana is one of her very best friends and would be perfect as a sister in law. Alden was the one that found her and protected her in the lost cities in the first place. There used to be a time where Alden was the person Sophie went to with all her questions and problems before Forkle came along, and he always did his best to help.

          Fitz is also Sophie’s cognate... um hello?? They’re soo perfect for each other. The relationship of a husband and wife is to be best friends, tell each other everything, and hold nothing back. That’s literally what they’re doing already as cognates and what they will have to do as partners, where keefe still holds a lot back from Sophie and goes behind her back to try and save her instead of working together. 
          And then there’s Fitz. He’s the PERFECT partner, so loyal and loving towards Sophie. He checks in with her all the time and they hang out all the time, doing trust excercises. Even Keefe agrees that Sophitz is perfect BECAUSE THEY ARE! When Fitz found out that Sophie wanted to wait to make it official, he totally supported her and agreed with her decision even though he’s “sick of ignoring the fact that the only name he wants to see on his list is Sophie’s.” Most boys would freak out and say that she just doesn’t want people talking about it behind her back or accusing her of having someone else she likes. He’s always thinking about her and making sure that she’s ok. Helping her with everything, volunteering to help her in every way. He’s so perfect for her and exactly WHAT SOPHIE NEEDS. She’s needs someone supportive like Fitz who can help her through her responsibility as the Moonlark. He can even assist her in telepathy because they are so strong together! Literally they are already doing all this! You also have to think about what SOPHIE wants, which is obviously Fitz. Even though you might want the Sokeefe ship to sail so badly, it’s just not what’s best for Sophie and what she wants and needs. 
      

      I ship Sophitz all the way, Keefe is a cutie and all but sorry Sophitz is just perfect. THANK YOU SHANNON FOR NOT AVOIDING IT AGAIN. EVEN THOUGH SILVENY INTERUPTED AND I MAY HAVE THROWN MY BOOK ACROSS THE ROOM, THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING BETWEEN THEM AND NOT AVOIDING IT!! LOVE YOU SO MUCH!! xx

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    • Oh and PS when the user account is “fandom user” it just means that they don’t have an account not that it’s the same person, lol. A lot of people have that user name btw😂

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    • You sofitz shippers have some pretty good points...ill give you that!Although,it doesnt mean I ship it.I have been SoKeefe since he came in the story!One question:if Fitz...why make Keefe an option?Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...yeah.Suuure, for more thrill!BUT...I read Percy Jackson tooooooo; and i got thrilled...........................and Annabeth was the ONLY option!So,yeah...Rachel whatshername was an option...but Percy didnt even like her!And i have a theory:what if Dex had a crush on Sophie only FOR HER LOOKS!?Once and IF Sophie and Fitz kiss,Sophie might not have a crush on Fitz anymore...JUST LIKE DEX.The first book said(when Sophie first SAW Fitz)that she had an INSTANT crush Fitz.SORRY TO ANY SOFITZ SHIPPERS!NO HATE!!!!!REALLY...I ADMIRE  SOFITZ SHIPPERS FOR THEIR WANTING THE BEST FOR SOPHIE BUT THATS THE SAME WAY US SOKEEFE SHIPPERS FEEL!!!!!!!!NO HATE!!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A SOKEEFE SHIPPER

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    • i dont know how you cant ship sokeefe.sorry to any sofitz shippers but i just cant.there is just too much chemistry between sophie and keefe.no hate!                 

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    • SOKEEFE!!!!!!!!!

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    • I JUST CANT TELL YOU GUYS HOW MUCH I LOVE KOTLC!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • SOKEEFE

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    • SOFITZ

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    • SOKEEFE

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    • SOPHITZ. I just can't understand SoKeefe. Fitz just seems like the perfect match for Sophie. He's smart, he's described as cute, he's kind to her, he has never betrayed her and joined the Neverseen (I know Keefe did it to help as a double agent, but he should have consulted Sophie). I respect SoKeefe shippers, but I will never ship anything but Sophitz.

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    • yassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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    • to the argument above~


      He's smart and cute - All elves are, and everyone in the gang is super intelligent. Elves are also naturally gorgeous, and Keefe as been described as cute too.


      Fitz just seems like the perfect match - Doesn't that strike to you as suspicious? That the perfect match would prevail? That seems cliché to me, and doesn't seem like something SWM would do.


      He's kind to her - Unless she disagrees with him. In Flashback, when Sophie said she agreed with the Council's decision, he got mad at her. During the tribunal, it was stated he turned on her, eyes blazing. I feel like their relationship would be toxic, with Fitz getting mad when she disagrees with him.


      He has never betrayed her. - Keefe did not betray her, he basically just pulled exactly what Jolie did! And if he told Sophie, she definitely would've stopped him.

      I mean no offense at all, but I felt like I needed to counter. Feel free to argue back!

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    • @TheBookQueen16 YES! I AGREE!!! GO SOKEEEFEEE!!!! *throws sparkly confetti into air*

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    • @Ihasgoodgrammer

      Thank you so much! GO SOKEEFE! *tries to catches confetti since its SPARKLY*

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      • that awkward moment when you’re So-Neutral*
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    • To TheBookQueen16's argument. 1. He's smarter and cuter 2. There is nothing wrong with a guy being perfect. I wouldn't want to not date someone because they're "too perfect" 3. Keefe has gotten angry at Sophie a lot as well. You can't let little arguments get in the way of a relationship. 4. Keefe should have told her. I don't care if it was "for the greater good". That was Grindelwald's motto and Grindelwald is EVIL!

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    • SOPHITZ SHALL CONQUER ALL.

      • uses tekekinesis to throw confetti up in the air and bakes 10 million trays of mint-chocolate mallowmelts
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    • ^^MEEEEEEEE---ha ha --I managed that for a year but I couldn't see Sophitz working after Flashback so I turned to Sokeefe 

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    • @Suldreen Sorry, are you talking to me or Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt? Anyways, you’re theories are pretty epic if I do say so myself. :)

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    • I want a Sofitz shipper to say one thing that accounts for Sofitz long-term. And then- no buts!- say an issue about it. Because I'm willing to do the same. I'm really annoyed by all the sofitz rants, I do not mean to be rude, but i'm tired of them, because a lot of times, everyone's own opinions are taken into consideration.

      for one moment, just think about sophie. and I DONT mean the sophie we see on the skimming of these books- I mean think about how she acts when she's comfortable, her prefences, games, sure, take her thoughts into account, but on other matters.

      please please consider this because for once I want a day of peaceee

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    • @Z-FunWithBooks--Thanks! And yep---I guess I missed an arrow

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    • Sticking with my theory that Lady Gisela is Sophie's mother. She is a polyglot, polyglots often have multiple abilities, she could be an enhancer. She wears gloves, she doesn't touch Keefe a lot, Keefe learns how to manipulate Sophie's emotions when enhanced super fast and I think he learnt how earlier and had his memory erased, I think Keefe and Lord Cassius have been enhanced so much that they are permanently super powerful which is why they don't need contact to read minds. If this is true, SoKeefe is sunk like the Titanic.

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    • @Suldreen

      Oh, okay,. Haha, I was confused. But then again, me being confused is nothing new. XD

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    • No, I just don't know how to use arrows ;)

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    • lol. I feel like I made this go super of topic. XD

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    • (Take two with arrows)

      ^^^^You don't think it's late to introduce another Gisela ability?

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    • Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt wrote:
      To TheBookQueen16's argument.

      1. He's smarter and cuter 2. There is nothing wrong with a guy being perfect. I wouldn't want to not date someone because they're "too perfect" 3. Keefe has gotten angry at Sophie a lot as well. You can't let little arguments get in the way of a relationship. 4. Keefe should have told her. I don't care if it was "for the greater good". That was Grindelwald's motto and Grindelwald is EVIL!

      @Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt

      Can I have some mallowmelt? I don't ship Sophitz, but...

      1. Yep, he's smarter. If you want to see it that way. He took first on midterms by one thing, leaving Keefe in second place. Fitz seemingly felt proud of course (Correct me if I'm wrong) and felt he deserved it, all while not noticing Keefe's pain with his dad. SWM put this in there for a reason. Fitz believes Sophie is so great (insert compliment scene details) and all that, but in reality he feels he deserves her. He thinks they are destined to be matched because of his birthright and her greatness. But people are not items--They shouldn't be deserved. And back to Fitz's intelligence--buying a teal heart necklace was a brilliant thing to do. It's her favorite color after all. But what does it actually say....It's one of the first things people notice when they look at Sophie. While threads of it trace back to a considerate gesture it implies more than Sophie's waiting at ot being boyfriend/girlfriend thing...I've even heard people go to the extent that the necklace treats her like a claim and possesion While I may not go that far---Whatever he though with his intelligent mind when getting the necklace cerainly also sent some messages and implied something as well

      As for cuteness, let's think about Dex, or better yet--Iggy.


      2. She said suspicious--Is it perfect at all or is it as we have been led to believe perfect is in this series. Is it like the Lost Cities? With so much well on the outside, but on the very foundation, already broken? Plus see her point three...


      3. Give me five examples. He yelled at her in that fungi cave....He cried to her and they grew from that and what ever you consider others. Sophie still holds onto memories from Fitz's various things. I will not hold him to fault for Exile but in so many cases in harms anyone in the way of what he wants. Think of Vee's example, and then of the times he rubbed salt in to old wounds. He brings up Keefe's family multiple times in "Jokes" and reminds Sophie of uncomfortable topics, sometimes just so casually complimenting her about implanted secrets in her head. She squirms at those little things. They can get over that. What I'm focusing on is small--But would it be worth it  for Sophie to live in that kind of environment. If her feelings, or infatuation wear away what would be left? A stable friendship or a stiff feeling? The small things she only so much as squirms at but never questions. She excuses him. The larger things (yelling type conflicts), she never faults him for... So what happens to the balme? And what's left to their relationship if you tear away just a few elements?


      4. Keefe was foolish, but holding this against him is like holding Exile against Fitz...Also that line was an excuse to go to the means necessary--It sounds like Fintan could borrow it. If anything, Keefe would say "Because I had too". He didn't of course, but his guilt, the elvin flaw was pulling at him. 

      And we know Dumbledore coined that phrase--He turned out quite fine

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    • @Mint-chocolate-Mallowmelt 

      counter COUNTER arguments XD

      1. Hes smarter and cuter

      this is an opinion, in my opinion Keefe is cuter and smarter, and considering the fact that the characters are fictional, it's different to everyone of how attractive a character is. I mean, some people might thing Jensi is the hottest of all elves! It's all an opinion. 

      2. There is nothing wrong with a guy being perfect. I wouldn't want to not date someone because they're "too perfect" 

      I do agree, there is nothing wrong with being an amazing, perfect person. But think about Sophie's personality. She's not very confident in herself, and it's not Fitz fault at ALL, but Fitz is going to have a hard time helping her. Sure, he was a bit of an outcast for a while in school, looking for Sophie, being Sophie's friend, the whole Vacker legacy and Alvar thing. I'll give you that, he DOES know what it's like to be an outcast. But besides that...let's face it, he hasn't made many mistakes. Aside from the ocasional outburst of anger, he's sort of a sparkly clean guy. There is NOTHING wrong with that, it's amazing that he's such a good guy. But Sophie and Fitz will have a hard time connecting because of it. She's always going to feel like she's not good enough for him, she's always going to think she makes mistakes constantly because he's so perfect. Fitz may comfort her, but there's no denying that Sophie's going to feel excluded from him at some point. Keefe on the other hand, has made a LOT of mistakes, and that's what I admire about him. No, I'm not saying I like dudes who do stupid things, all I'm saying is I think he'd be better with Sophie because he really knows what it's like to mess up BIG time, not just explode at your friends or get mad at your brother. He knows what it's like to do dark things. He can connect with Sophie BECAUSE of his faults. They both can, and that's why I love them together. They heal each other. 

      3. Keefe has gotten angry at Sophie as well. You can't let little arguments get in the way of a relationship. 

      Sure, Keefe gets mad at Sophie, Sophie gets mad at Keefe, occasionally wants to strangle him. But what I like about Keefe is he doesn't hold grudges, he does get mad, but he always seems to apologize and end up making Sophie and himself laughing about the argument. No I'm not saying that justifies Keefe getting mad at Sophie, all I'm saying is whereas Keefe is a much lighter, easier fighter, Fitz-and don't deny it-He's a hard core anger grudger. Yes I made up anger grudger. Fitz anger to others is different than Keefes. Fitz lashes out, I know he feels bad occasionally. But, sometimes he doesnt. He got mad at Alden and Della in Flashback for a LONG time because of Alvar. He refused to try to understand. He might get better, but he may not. 

      4. Keefe should have told her...that one XD

      I agree with you. Keefe should have told Sophie. I'm not going to say it was okay. But...you need to consider Keefe's circumstances. Keefe had gone through a really rough time, leaving his dad, thinking his mom was DEAD, then being betrayed by Alvar. You have to put yourself in his shoes. He was scared, and felt alone. And as much as he trusted Sophie he was too scared because he didn't want Sophie to hate him. That was a shady thing for him to do, I'm not going to deny that. But yeah, I'm going to say it, teenagers do SUPID things. And while becoming a double agent for the Neverseen and Black swan was a "little" worse than stealing a candy bar at a store or egging someones house, he really was just doing what he thought was best. Lol, the crimes of Grindewald made me laugh, I LOVE that show, btw. Also, consider the fact that Sophie got OVER it. It's still there, she's never going to forget, but she's chosen to forgive him because she understands him. She knows him. Better than anyone else. She knows his intentions, and yes it was not a smart thing to do, but everyone makes mistakes. The reason I ship Sokeefe is because no matter how many stupid things both Sophie and Keefe do, they always forgive each other. And they get stronger because of it. 



      I hope this didn't offend anyone, and if it did, I'm super sorry!!!

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    • @SuldreenSong

      YEAAAH! THAT WAS AWESOME!!! GO SOKEEFE! I'm so glad I wasn't the only one counter counter arguing!!!! XD

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    • YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! *SENDS DRAMATIC HIVE FIVE THROUGH THE SCREEN*!

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    • Heir of Rain wrote:
      I want a Sofitz shipper to say one thing that accounts for Sofitz long-term. And then- no buts!- say an issue about it. Because I'm willing to do the same. I'm really annoyed by all the sofitz rants, I do not mean to be rude, but i'm tired of them, because a lot of times, everyone's own opinions are taken into consideration.

      for one moment, just think about sophie. and I DONT mean the sophie we see on the skimming of these books- I mean think about how she acts when she's comfortable, her prefences, games, sure, take her thoughts into account, but on other matters.

      please please consider this because for once I want a day of peaceee

      I'm game for this---I'll try it for Sokeefe....

      I can imagine that the way they treat guilt could lend to each other--Sure we've seen them reassure each other, but I feel that some quick lasting angsty guilt moments could be ahead....

      What do you guys think?

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    • oof, I wasn't on to counter. But Suldreen and Ihasgoodgrammer already did, and I agree with their arguments.


      YAY FOR SOKEEFE *throws more confetti*

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    • To Mint Chocolate Mallowmelt:If you think that Lady Gisela is sophies mom,why would she be with the Neverseen?!She would have to be with the Black Swan!!!I really think it would be a nice theory... IF ONLY LADY GISELA WASNT WITH THE NEVERSEEN!!NO HATE!!!!!!!

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    • umm....dont you girls think this is getting kind of intense?

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    • ^ I'd use the word interesting or fun--But maybe.

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    • 166.216.165.55 wrote: umm....dont you girls think this is getting kind of intense?

      Nah, just a lil more interesting.

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    • 166.216.165.55 Intense and exciting are very related words, to one person a situation such as this may be intense, to a person like me, I think it’s awesome and rad 😎👍🤣

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    • ^

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    • ^^

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    • I LOVE SOKEEFE

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      • CATCHES CONFETTI AND SCREAMS SOKEEFE*
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    • YAAAAASSSSS!!

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    • GO FITZPHIE!

      • BAKES EVEN MORE MINT-CHOCOLATE MALLOWMELT"

      I like Keefe too, but he always seems more like Sophie's best friend. Dex is technically Sophie's bestie but he seems more like just a friend.

      FITZPHIE SHALL RULE OVER ALL

      Also, I still think that Lady Gisela is Sophie's mom. I have stated this theory already on this page, so I'm not going to clog this page with the explanation.

      FITZPHIE FOREVER

      Plus THEY'RE COGNATES

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    • Why does cognatum matter?

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    • It doesn't really matter a ton. I just feel like it means that they are really close. Also, I'm considering just adding that to every single comment I make.

      Plus, THEY'RE COGNATES

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    • ^It doesn't really, it's just an added bonus! Is that so wrong?

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    • Yeah, I guess it is part of the Fitzphie flare and all!

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    • I am Sokeefe all the way! (BTW this is just my opinion and point of view so plz dont be offended)

      I know that Fitzphie is cannon (WHY SHANNON WHY) but Fitz is super tacky and annoying. On the other hand Keefe is sweet, caring and most importantly understands Sophie how Fitz never will. (I will not explain how Fitz is annoying and tacky for the sake of the rules, but I will say why I like Team Foster-Keefe!) Keefe needs Sophie and Sophie needs Keefe and that trust goes deeper than Congantes. I know people are like "If Sokeefe cant be cannon because that will severley injure Sophie and Fitz's Congante stuff!"  I understand that but who else misses when no one besides Mr. Forkle could slip past Sophie's blocking. (WARNING: SPOILER) Besides Fitz has breached Sophie's mind without her permission multiple times (and she does nothing UGH) and during one of their transmissions in FLASHBACK Fitz figures out about Sophie and the trolls possible alliance. Lastly, Fitz getting in her mind without permission is also breaking the Telepath laws and im daydreaming about the day where Fitz gets punished for that.

      (Um... I think I acually did explain why Fitz is annoying so..... NO HATE PLZ!!!)

      The last thing I will say is....

      TEAM FOSTER-KEEFE RULES AND SHOULD GO CANNON!!!!!

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    • Ccchamomile wrote:
      Oof, I've never shipped Sophitz.

      You and me both.



      (Shannon if only you started that ship for another reason than Sophie liking Fitz for his looks *sigh*)

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    • Sophie and Fitz are cognates and that means they trust one another completely and all good relationships are built on trust.

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    • @Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt

      that may be true, but Keefe and Sophie also trust each other. They may not have a cool telepathic bond thingy, but they've learned to trust eachother by getting to know each other. They didn't have to go through trust excerzises. Alden had a congate (I am so sorry, I forgot the dudes name) and they were not romantically involved. It's one hundred percent possible for Sophie to be with Keefe and also be congates with Fitz. Congates are a very cool thing, but Sophie has come to trust Keefe by knowing the way he thinks, without reading his mind she's able to get to know him and get close to him. Keefe and Sophie have had some rocky points, but the fact that they're stronger because of it makes me ship Sokeefe even more ^.^ (P.S. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, this is all my opinion ^.^) 

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    • ^^One thing--They're cognates in training

      Do they trust each other completely? 

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    • ^Somethin I noticed, Sophie wouldn't have told Fitz about the troll-alliance thing, he had to pluck it from her mind. That's not really complete trust...

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    • Yep, I thought about that part too--And all his jokes that rub salt into wounds using past knowledge

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    • Yeah, that one since when he brought up the info in her head. She squirmed at that, she shouldn't Fitz know what makes her uncomfortable?

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    • It just sometimes hurts to read those parts

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    • Yeah, its just so blood-boiling. Sophie deserves better.

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    • I want to see some more character development on Fitz's part regardless to make it more interesting..I need Sophie to notice something in the relationship.

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    • Like they said...

      FITZ IS BREAKING TELEPATH LAWS BY GOING INTO SOPHIES MIND WITHOUT HER PERMISSION!!! DOES ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE THAT!!!!

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    • I think she will, Sophie isn't completely blind, she would eventually realize that this wasn't what she wanted.

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    • I know Sophie isn’t completely blind it’s just that when Fitz went into Sophie’s mind and figured out about the pods in FLASHBACK even though he broke the telepath laws all she said ( or thought I cannot remember ) is I’m happy you are here instead of being mad at him for going into her mind without her permission

      If Fitz can get really mad at Sophie than why can’t it be vise versa

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    • I just read the first few comments so sorry. I ship Foster-Keefe because Sophitz just feels too immediate. It's the start of the series and she already knows she likes the guy. No subtle falling in love. No wondering about her newfound feelings. No character development/exploration of Sophie's character by her feelings. Also Keefe really needs Sophie. Everything with his parents... Well, you know.

      EDIT: FITZ VIOLATED SOPHIE'S PRIVACY?! GET SOMEONE BETTER. YOU HEAR ME SOPHIE?

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    • I think I speak for all Team Foster-Keefe fans when I say...

      SHANNON PLZ MAKE SOKEEFE CANNON ITS THE PERFECT SHIP FOR SOPHIE AND ALWAYS WILL BE!!!

      (If you need ways to get rid of Fitz just ask the Sokeefe fans and we’ll take care of the rest)

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    • Sophie's relationship will not come down to small trifling reasons. The only way for Shannon Messenger to truly end this is a solid reason for Sophie to end up with one or the other. I'm not talking about Sophie and Fitz both liking each other or Keefe giving Sophie a painting. I'm talking a really solid, concrete answer that leaves no question of who Sophie should end up with. Unfortunately, most of these solutions are drastic and involve the death of one or more characters. I, probably along with most KotLC fans, would prefer that it not come to that. There are a limited number of ways this can end without killing a character. One way that I am particularly partial to is Sophie's biological mother or father being Lady Gisela, Lord Cassius, Alden, or Della. Another way this could end would be any of the three (Fitz, Keefe, or Sophie) becoming Councillors. Alternatively, it could end in betrayal. If Fitz or Keefe joins the Neverseen and betrays the others (We aren't talking Keefe's small betrayal since he didn't do anything really bad) it would solve the issue. Unfortunately, the character would have to be completely and permanently evil for Sophie to give up on him, and the main way they could achieve this would be actually killing another character. Finally, one of them could fall in love with another character. The problem with this is that Fitz's main possible love interest other than Sophie is Linh, and that ship is based on Fitz saying "Wow!" (and Linh and Wylie seem pretty close). As for Keefe, his other main love interest is Biana. This ship is a bit more feasible, as it has actually been confirmed that Biana has (or had) a crush on Keefe.

      In conclusion, I am hoping that the next books do not hold death for any of the characters and that Sophie and her friends all will find somebody right for them.

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    • Actually, I'm a bit worried about the fact that some of the characters in the main group don't really seem to have a love interest that makes sense. Hoping that this just means they'll date outside of the group and not that Shannon Messenger is preparing a character that she can kill off without leaving loose ends.

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    • I agree with you, but the Kiana ship sort of sunk in Nightfall. It’s like a Sophie Dex relationship, Keefe flat out said he wasn’t interested, and it also said Bianas crush seemed to be fading. Whereas Fitz and Linh both think each other are cute (I don’t ship Flyn) but Fitz has got a LOT of options. Keefes relationship with Sophie is much more deep and he’d have a harder time getting over Sophie. Plus, UNTIL SHE WAS READY FOR MOREEE! I’m so sorry if it offends anyone it’s all my opinion😊😊😊

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    • I'm seriously tired of people using the cognates excuse- you can be cognates without being in love!!

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    • ^ ditto

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    • It is true that you can be cognates without being in love. I'm just pointing out that it adds a small piece to the many reasons that Sophitz fans ship Sophitz. (This is just my opinion and is not meant to be offensive or rude. I'm sorry if any of my comments do seem rude or opinionated. They are not intended to be that way)

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    • ^^^ when did Fitz say that he thought Linh was cute?

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    • He didn't. Neither one said the other was cute.

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    • I used to think Litz's only argument is "It is possible" but I never took it serious--Now I see a 5% chance at least for it---I mean smiles as brighter than his signature ones--Blushing cheeks....It's  possible..

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    • @Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt @24.115.246.196

      Yeah I know they never said each other were cute 😊 I’m just saying with all the blushing involved (Lodestar when Fitz wrapped his arm around Linhs waist, etc.) you can tell they both think each other are sort of cute. I don’t ship Litz, I’m just saying they like each other a little 😊😊😊😊😊 I’m sorry if it offended anyone

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    • Exactly, How about Litz sails and Keefe and Sophie end up together.

      Whos with me!!!

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    • mmmm  wylie and lihn and shophie anf ftz 

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    • Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt wrote:
      Sophie's relationship will not come down to small trifling reasons. The only way for Shannon Messenger to truly end this is a solid reason for Sophie to end up with one or the other. I'm not talking about Sophie and Fitz both liking each other or Keefe giving Sophie a painting. I'm talking a really solid, concrete answer that leaves no question of who Sophie should end up with. Unfortunately, most of these solutions are drastic and involve the death of one or more characters. I, probably along with most KotLC fans, would prefer that it not come to that. There are a limited number of ways this can end without killing a character. One way that I am particularly partial to is Sophie's biological mother or father being Lady Gisela, Lord Cassius, Alden, or Della. Another way this could end would be any of the three (Fitz, Keefe, or Sophie) becoming Councillors. Alternatively, it could end in betrayal. If Fitz or Keefe joins the Neverseen and betrays the others (We aren't talking Keefe's small betrayal since he didn't do anything really bad) it would solve the issue. Unfortunately, the character would have to be completely and permanently evil for Sophie to give up on him, and the main way they could achieve this would be actually killing another character. Finally, one of them could fall in love with another character. The problem with this is that Fitz's main possible love interest other than Sophie is Linh, and that ship is based on Fitz saying "Wow!" (and Linh and Wylie seem pretty close). As for Keefe, his other main love interest is Biana. This ship is a bit more feasible, as it has actually been confirmed that Biana has (or had) a crush on Keefe.

      In conclusion, I am hoping that the next books do not hold death for any of the characters and that Sophie and her friends all will find somebody right for them.

      Would anyone else feel disappointed if Gisela, Cassius, Alden, or Della were her parents? I mean I think we need something emotional to be a solid reason. I feel physically tearing it apart wouldn't be enough.

      Also (unrelated), why the matchmakers can't just use Sophie's DNA sequencing?

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    • Ya'know...I am begining to hate sofitz

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    • KRYZ

      sorry for you fosterkeefe fans but im for sofitz. it was actually a hard choice and i literally talked to everyone i knew about it, which most of them where for kefoster. 

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    • @207.109.54.130 

      That's totally okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, so its awesome that you ship sofitz. Even though I am a hard-core Sokeefer, that doesn't mean I get mad when others ship sofitz. It's all a manner of opinion (: 

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    • @ihasgreatgrammer 

      well saidddd 

      @201.109.54.130

      Sophitzzzz :)

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    • @SuldreenSong

      That's what makes me think that it might not be because she doesn't know who her parents are. If that was the case, she could ask Mr. Forkle to send the info over without letting her know. I think it might be her DNA that's the problem, since she has modified DNA.

      And Lady Gisela makes sense to me as Sophie's mother, but Shannon Messenger would be taking the easy route, so I would be a bit disappointed.

      @Ihasgreatgrammer That's a good stance to take. Some shippers get rude or mad when other fans try to make an argument for their own ship. It's unfortunate and unfair to those trying to talk about their ships who don't want people judging them on their opinions.

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    • Heir of Rain wrote: I'm seriously tired of people using the cognates excuse- you can be cognates without being in love!!

      Yes, but that's not the sole reason we think Sophitz is going to happen or should happen. That is simply a point that contributes to a much bigger picture. By itself, it doesn't mean Fitzphie should happen, but it does prove that they have great trust in one another and are good as a team, which is a good base for a relationship (as well as both people liking one another, which we have here).

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    • ^The only thing is, Sophie doesn't open up to Fitz voluntarily (ok, except for Flashback, I get it).  They do it for Cognate excercises.  Also, they don't know each other well.  Remember the Dex incident?  The minute Keefe saw Sophie, he asked "how's Dex?" meanwhile Fitz only figured that one out because Keefe accidentally told everyone.  Keefe and Sophie naturally open up to each other.

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    • Sophie agrees to become Cognates. And Sophie doesn't open up to Keefe voluntarily, he reads her emotions. And Fitz DOES figure it out on his own. In Flashback he guesses that Dex gave her crush cuffs. Fitz and Sophie do actually open up to one another many times.

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    • Nightfall or Flashback?  The crush cuffs with Dex stuff is gone in Flashback.

      Also, yes, she agrees to be Fitz's cognate, but because she wants them to be more powerful for the Neverseen.  I was just pointing out that, yes, Sophie could stop being Fitz's cognates, but because (mostly) the reason they open up to each other is because it's part of the excercises they're expected to do.  Yes, they don't HAVE to do it, but their trust stems from the fact that they're supposed to trust each other.

      And yes, Keefe sometimes reads Sophie's emotions if she's hiding something involving his mom, but other than that, they are willing to share with each other.

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    • Flashback. 38% of the way through the book (sorry, I have the ebook). And Fitz just has to transmit "It's me" and Sophie trusts him. They don't trust one another because they're supposed to, they trust one another because they have complete trust! And Keefe reads her emotions WAAYYY too much when she doesn't Want him to.

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    • Yes, her mind trusts him.  They have complete INSTINCTIVE trust, which stems from the mind.  I don't want to go all head vs heart on you, so I'll skip that part. 

      Anyway, yes, Keefe used to, but when he realized what he was doing, he vowed to not be controlling, her friend, all that, you've heard that quote a lot so I won't spell it out for you.

      Side note: It's pretty exausting keeping up with both arguments at once.

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    • Keefe said he would be her friend and stop being controlling, but he hasn't really stopped.

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    • Yes he has...for the last part of Nightfall, and all of Flashback, he hasn't done anything without her permission.

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    • Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt wrote:

      Heir of Rain wrote: I'm seriously tired of people using the cognates excuse- you can be cognates without being in love!!

      Yes, but that's not the sole reason we think Sophitz is going to happen or should happen. That is simply a point that contributes to a much bigger picture. By itself, it doesn't mean Fitzphie should happen, but it does prove that they have great trust in one another and are good as a team, which is a good base for a relationship (as well as both people liking one another, which we have here).

      I agree, sorry, I've just met way too many people who's arguement is literally only that.

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    • I think people tend to find other arguments now other than just that. I've found that when I even include that argument in my posts people ignore the rest of my posts and write a big argument about why them being cognates doesn't matter. Sorry, looking back on my comment, it sounds like I was annoyed by your comment, but I wasn't.

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    • People mostly focus on that because it's a popular opinion, and saying "PLUS, they're COGNATES." doesn't help. I am not blaming you, or trying to discourage your opinion, it just bothers me. When you mention cognates, it's easy to just think So what? in my head. Being cognates has nothing to do with this! So, it may tilt to sophitz in a lot of ways, but it feels as though it adds nothing to your arguement!

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    • Yes, I am trying to mention their cognatedom less in my posts now. I am sorry if my comments have unintentionally offended you.

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    • Okay...

      TEAM FOSTER-KEEFE!

      Also, I consider that a better ship name than Sokeefe :)

      For all the Fitzphie shippers, I get you- I really do. Fitz and Sophie like each other, as said in Flashback, but there ARE more books, so what's canon now may not be later.

      Keefe always knows how to lighten the mood, he just understands Sophie- not even by reading emotions, because how much can you get from just that- and usually Sophie DOES share more with Keefe than Fitz. I think that the Cognate thing might not even work out- if Foster-Keefe happens, Fitz will probably blow up and get mad at everyone. Has anyone noticed how he and Keefe don't seem to be besties anymore ever since Sophie came?

      If Sophie just disagrees on a small thing with Fitz, he'll react and take a while to recover. That's not a good way to have a relationship.

      BTW, Gisela/Alden/Della can't be Sophie's parents because it's obvious that she has at least some feelings for both Fitz and Keefe- that would be kinda wrong. SM wouldn't do that!

      ~Oddity

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      Oddity

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    • TEAM FOSTER KEEFE RULZ. why, because......................

      1.Keefe is always there for Sophie when she needs him and he always trying to make her feel better.

      2.Sophie is there for him when he finds out that his mum is more evil than he thought.

      3. Even though Sophie chose Fitz, Keefe still loves her the same, probably even more.

      4.Sophie clearly cares for Keefe because in book 7 when Fintan told her that they (her and Fitz ) coud ask him one question, she chose to ask about Keefe and that proves how much she loves him and how much she cares.

      Not that this has anything to do with what i am talking about but......when is Sophie gonna choose what keefe has to do for and i am also kinda dying to find out what the Great GULON Incidient was

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    • 66.8.255.38 wrote:
      Exactly, How about Litz sails and Keefe and Sophie end up together.

      Whos with me!!!

      That is perfect because clearly Fitz has a crush on Linh.

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    • Lylie for the Wihn though!

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    • YES! Lylie for the Winh!

      And Destina is Destiny!

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    • Destina is the best WOO!

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    • It is!

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    • I feel dumb...what's Destina???? XD

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    • DexXStina! The real term is Dexina or Stinex, but Destina sounds like destiny!

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    • OOOOO I get it XD Thank you (: (Destina Denstiny, I think that should be a fanfiction nameXD) 

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    • I think a lot of Dex and Stina fans are calling it DeStina now.

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    • NO, what? Dex and Stina? I just… it doesn’t feel right. No offense, that’s just my opinion, I don’t want to hurt feelings, but I don’t want that ship to sail.

      As for Sokeefe vs Sophitz, neither. Maybe Sokeefe. In Flashback *SPOILERS* when they were figuring out their relationship Sophie said something like: “I just want to wait until it doesn’t feel so scary.” She says she loves him, but when you meet your soulmate I think (I’ve never met my soulmate, so this might be unreliable btw.) it wouldn’t feel scary and you wouldn’t feel embarrassed and you wouldn’t care about what people think. Fitz says he likes the backer legacy and doesn’t want to ruin it by being a bad match. He says he wants her on his list. However, he shouldn’t car. Granted the vacker legacy is already ruined. I feel their relationship is too pushy and Sophie is basing it off of looks. Fitz does kinda seem to be really in love with her but I don’t think it’s good for Sophie or for their cognatedom. Also I mean fitz became an angry jerk in exile and flashback like over alvar and his dad’s mind break. As for Sokeefe…

      It just doesn’t feel right. Ok, I know that isn’t an argument but yeah, Sokeefe also I think is too pushy. Guys, I just don’t like it. Sophie is going to have so many other opportunitites to meet other awesome guys. Personally, Dexphie is my ship. I know it sunk, but a single kiss isn’t going to make you feel a spark or not. You might have different feeling later! Plus, Sophie is only fifteen! Guys, she’s a teenager and i think she can’t go after fitz or Keefe  or whoever over a crush…

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    • Eh, now a minute later i like Sokeefe…

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    • But Stina and Dex have so much in common! They both have a Talentless parent, they both love pranks and they both share a mutual disliking for eachother. I love when two characters who "hate" eachother get over their hatred and can get together. Opposites attract! 

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    • Yes, maybe Stina was only being mean to Sophie because she was jealous! If you think about it, who would be the most likely to own a pet muskog? Dex! Maybe the Muskog in Dex's locker was just Stina's attempt at a gift to Dex.

      DeStina is Destiny

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    • 69.251.244.231 wrote:
      NO, what? Dex and Stina? I just… it doesn’t feel right. No offense, that’s just my opinion, I don’t want to hurt feelings, but I don’t want that ship to sail.

      As for Sokeefe vs Sophitz, neither. Maybe Sokeefe. In Flashback *SPOILERS* when they were figuring out their relationship Sophie said something like: “I just want to wait until it doesn’t feel so scary.” She says she loves him, but when you meet your soulmate I think (I’ve never met my soulmate, so this might be unreliable btw.) it wouldn’t feel scary and you wouldn’t feel embarrassed and you wouldn’t care about what people think. Fitz says he likes the backer legacy and doesn’t want to ruin it by being a bad match. He says he wants her on his list. However, he shouldn’t car. Granted the vacker legacy is already ruined. I feel their relationship is too pushy and Sophie is basing it off of looks. Fitz does kinda seem to be really in love with her but I don’t think it’s good for Sophie or for their cognatedom. Also I mean fitz became an angry jerk in exile and flashback like over alvar and his dad’s mind break. As for Sokeefe…

      It just doesn’t feel right. Ok, I know that isn’t an argument but yeah, Sokeefe also I think is too pushy. Guys, I just don’t like it. Sophie is going to have so many other opportunitites to meet other awesome guys. Personally, Dexphie is my ship. I know it sunk, but a single kiss isn’t going to make you feel a spark or not. You might have different feeling later! Plus, Sophie is only fifteen! Guys, she’s a teenager and i think she can’t go after fitz or Keefe  or whoever over a crush…

      Yeah but Dex and Sophie are technically cousins..

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    • They are cousins by adoption. Technically that would mean they aren't cousins (technically means literally.) It's not gross if they aren't biologically related, after all, she's no more his real family than Biana or Marella.

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    • Also, just saying, I don't really think Destina is really great. Yeah, Stina has changed for the better since the first book, but Dex needs someone who appreciates him for who he is. Maybe not Stina, but a better choice could be Marella. Her ability made her sort of an outcast, and Dex would know how that feels, with his parents being a bad match and all that. Even she needs to work on cutting the guilt shaming, though! -Oddity

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    • ^Ok that’s your opinion, but I’m gonna be honest you’re missing out on an amazing ship!!

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    • Lol, I'm not TOO against it. It's just that if Stina needs to earn my respect, she has to first change a lot more. Dex deserves LOTS more than he has right now. Also, I just read a Destina fanfic and I'm actually kinda pulled into it. If the author keeps writing, I might just start shipping it.

      - Oddity

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    • I have to ask, is it my fanfic? If so, I'm definitely continuing the story :p

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    • Sophitz for the win!!!!!!!!

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    • Sokeefe for the win!!!!!!! (Sorry, I honestly just write this down whenever I see the word Sophitz XD) Nothing against Sophitz (:

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    • Sophitz for the win!!!!!!!

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    • Yeah applebaby12 it is :)

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    • Sophitz, because I feel like both are important to each other.

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    • ^^^^ yap yap 

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    • @CaptainGumby Keefe is important to Sophie and Sophie is VERY important to Keefe, they both care about each other a LOT 👍 both Fitz and Keefe love Sophie, so I think we’ll have to wait on Sophie...🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🤔🤔🤔🤔

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    • TEAM FOSTER-KEEFE FOREVER! They are so loving and caring and perfect for each other.

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    • Wow.........this is HUGE.

      As for if it's Sophitz or Sokeefe, I honestly don't have an opinion. I wouldn't be mad with whatever Shannon chooses, because both of them seem excellent for Sophie. Each side of the argument have such valid points.

      The Sophitz shippers are right, and so are the Sokeefe shippers. Both Fitz and Keefe are so good to her, and have done so much to help her. Sure, both of them have had their mistakes in the past, by completely shutting her out or joining the Neverseen. But in the end, both Fitz and Keefe apologize and try to do whatever possible to make it up to her.

      Then again, there are WAY more books to come. Who knows what'll happen? Maybe new people. New feelings. New interests. Someone could even DIE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. There could be a huge game changer, one that could upset a lot of readers, or make them jump for joy.

      And then again, Sophie could actually even decide that she doesn't want anyone, and just wing it herself. Or (I know this may upset a lot of people but I DON'T MEAN ANYTHING BY THIS. I'm just trying to look at all the possibilities) she could end up with someone who ISN'T Keefe or Fitz.

      There are so many possibilities. I trust Shannon to make the best choice. After all, she is the person who wrote all this.

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    • Okay, so I 100% ship Sokeefe. I'm going to counter some popular Fitzphie arguements, hope this doesn't offend anyone.

      1) Fitz is the one who found Sophie and brought her to the lost cities. Okay... so you're saying we should ship Harry and Hagrid (Bad mental image)? Or Percy and Grover? (Not too bad but PERCABETH 4 LIFE! Off topic...)? In fact, this can be an arguement against Sophitz! Fitz became friends with Sophie because Alden sent him on missions and he found her, but Keefe and Sophie became close on their own. Also people argue that Fitz let Sophie cry on his shoulder when she drugged her family. So? Fitz was the only friend she had at that point! He was the only one there! If Keefe or Biana or Dex was there, Sophie might've cried on their shoulders! So Fitz finding her does NOT prove a romantic relationship. 

      2) Sophie has had a crush on Fitz from day one. Don't mean to offend anyone but... Well I can see why that's an arguement but when you think about it it's not a very good arguement. No offence! Anyway, the counter arguement: Exactly! From day ONE. Before she got to know him. Her crush is based on his looks. And later she starts to like him for other reasons, I'm not saying it's ONLY because of his looks, but that's what her crush is based on. However, she also thinks Keefe is cute, but doesn't start developing feelings for him (Don't even try to deny it) until she gets to know him. Which do you think is stronger? A relationship built off of years of friendship and trust? Or a relationship built off of the guy's looks? 

      3) Sophie MUST like Fitz in her heart too, because her heart flutters around him! Well first of all, no one can deny that Sophie likes Fitz in her head. She is consious of her crush on him. In nightfall, Keefe says that her heart emotions differ from her head emotions, she likes Fitz in her head, she likes someone else in her heart. Also when Keefe saw her heart emotions he grinned. Think about how much Keefe loves Sophie. (Yes LOVES not LIKES). Would Keefe be happy seeing that the girl he is in love with loves another guy? NO! Sophie has to like Keefe in her heart. Back to the heart fluttering thing: Her heart fluttered before she even got to know him in book one. I honestly don't think you can love someone before you know them. That's like love at first sight, which I don't believe in, I believe in love built off of friendship. The heart fluttering is just a reaction to a crush.

      4) Fitz likes Sophie too. Yes, Fitz does have a crush on Sophie (Note that I said CRUSH for Fitz and LOVE for Keefe). However, when he is really mad at her, those feelings seem to go away. Keefe never stopped liking Sophie. Every bad decision he made was for Sophie. Fitz however... Most of his bad decisions were because of his anger issues and fury/sadness about Alden or Alvar. I think Keefe cares about Sophie more. Remember in Nightfall (Huh most of my arguements seem to be from Nightfall) during the Great Forkle Reappearence Fitz immeadiately did that rage-thingy, but Keefe had so many conflicted emotions, and he ignored all of them to ensure Sophie was okay. Forkle's death had to be harder on Keefe than Fitz (Keefe watched Forkle die!) but Keefe only thought of Sophie when Forkle reappeared while Fitz only thought of himself. 

      5) Keefe joined the neverseen! He can't be trusted! Keefe was so guilty about what his mom did to Sophie and about the trackers that the guilt made him reckless and he joined. If he had a different response to guilt, the guilt of what his MOM did would have BROKEN him. Thats how much Keefe cares for Sophie. I'm not saying that Keefe joining the neverseen wasn't really stupid. But Keefe joining the neverseen as a double agent isn't a good reason why Sokeefe shouldn't happen. However, Fitz's major mistake that the other side holds against him (Exile) wasn't for Sophie, to help Sophie. It wasn't because guilt about Sophie almost broke his mind. Also while Keefe learned from his mistakes (The Keefe Short Story!), Fitz didn't, and keeps getting horribly angry when he's upset.

      Wow that was long.

      Hope this didn't offend anyone, and you're welcome to counter my counter arguements (Does that sentence even make sense?).

      -THEBOOKWASBETTER

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    • 217.164.172.46 wrote:
      And I know everyone who ships sophie and keefe ship them because they think keefe is cute.

      Sokeefe fans:noooo🙄🙄🙄 Me:don't try to deny it Sokeefe fans : *blush* Me:told you

      I'm sorry, WHAT?????????????????? When I read this I found it HIGHLY offensive and made a weird sound of outrage.

      Litterally, the cuteness level of the guy is actually more of a Sophitz thing!

      And what if a straight guy or a les girl ships Sokeefe? That's not cause they think Keefe is cute! That's because they know that it is the best ship ever!

      Which guys does Sophie have a crush on because he is cute? FITZ. What guy does Sophie have heart feelings for because he is always there for her and soooooooooooooo many other reasons? KEEFE.

      Quite a lot of people think Fitz is hotter than Keefe, and some think Dex or Tam is hottest! You're shipping has nothing to do with your personal preferred appearences.

      you're basically saying that all Keefoster shippers are stupid and shallow and care about looks over personality. And I find that SUPER offensive. 

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    • I ship Fitzphie. They are Congates. Congates don’t work if you don’t have complete trust in your partner. Fitz and Sophie have already expressed their feelings for each other. In flashback, Sophie thinks to herself, “Maybe I should say, ‘How about you put in Fitz Vacker’” when she was doing the matchmaking thing. And Sokeefe people are saying that Keefe loves Sophie. If she really loved her as much as you people are saying he does, he wouldn’t go to the Neverseem for other reasons, knowing that would hurt Sophie. Again, Keefe has that “for the greater good” mindset. That’s Grindelwald. Just no. No. Sophie is still trying to figure out her biological parents. I can honestly see her being Keefe’s sister. (Another of those many things he’s keeping from Sophie.) Fitz was open to her. Keefe is almost trying to shut her out. I think Keefe would be good with Biana. So, sorry if this might offend anyone, but I ship Fitzphie. They have some connection that Keefe and Sophie don’t have.

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    • Sokeefe, Fitz gets mad at Sophie too much, at least when KEEFE gets mad at Sophie, it is because she actually did something to him.

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    • Sophitz

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    • I didnt read all of the arguments above (since im lazy) so if i repeat something sorry. ok lets get to it... so im sokeefe 100% thank u u should be too heres why sophie and keefe need each other. they are always looking out fir each other and never want to hurt the other. guys, keefe JOINED THE NEVERSEEN for sophie! like dang that’s commitment. and i know theres all of yall who be like “but sophitz is amazing and sophie admits she likes fitz but she never said she likes keefe” ok. great. but you must understand that sophie is one, lets be honest here, CONFUSED little gurl who has all sorts if jumbled thoughts and feelings. she really likes fitz for his face. (well i mean ya cant rly blame her in my mind hes a total hottie). she holds onto those feelings of her crush on fitz for so long she doesn’t know how to let them go (well she ALMOST did but then FITZ had to RUIN IT by bein like “nah girl u still gonna love me” and i almost punched him through the book). a few books into the series sophie starts to like keefe. she doesn’t realize it tho, but again, shes a confused girly. she starts to blush and feel those confusing emotions ya get when you like someone but don’t wanna admit it. and they have all sorts if “moments” in nightfall (then flashback comes along and CRUSHES MY SOKEEFE DREAMS) that are so good and amazing i want to cry from amazement and happiness. so overall sophie just THINKS she likes fitzipoo because hes hot and that’s what shes used to but she really likes keefe because he needs her and she needs him and they balance each other (yes BALANCE i feel like fitz and sophie are a bit too similar so theres no BALANCE in the relationship) and depend on one another and look out for each other ALWAYS and are protective of each other and would do anything for the other and are just soo..... perfect for each other. if y still don’t believe me, look at my short stories below: SOPHITZ RELATIONSHIP: SOPHIE:fitz is hot FITZ: sophies hot FITZ:lets kiss sorry, but no. their relationship is just so...shallow. all bout dem looks.

      SOKEEFE RELATIONSHIP: KEEFE: sophie dont ever leave me or hate me please i need you SOPHIE: i wont ever hate you keefe and im here for you KEEFE: thank u your the only one who understands me see??? if u dont see then ur blind

      also id like to add...there are monents in the book(s) when sophie and keefe are having a *moment* and keefe steps back because of fitz. he knows fitz likes sophie and doesn’t try to get in his way. fitz is a lot more pushy than keefe. keefe just wants sophie to be happy and if fitz makes her happy he’ll deal with it. (SEE??? COMMITMENT!!!) he also wants to make sure sophie is READY for a relationship! (guys keefe is amazing) fitz just kinda...well i cant say since *SPOILERS* but if you read FLASHBACK youll understand. he moves quickly and AFTER he (he meaning fitzipoo) tells sophie she can choose what to do when shes ready. keefe had ALREADY THOUGHT THAT OUT BEFORE he made a move since he KNEW sophie just wasnt ready. (read keefe short story nightfall for evidence) keefe just understands sophie. i mean, dont get me wrong fitz understands her too but u ever thought that was cuz they are C O G N A T E S? keefe understands sophie without them being cognates. AND, i might add, SOPHIE TELLS KEEFE THINGS SHE DOESNT TELL FITZ AND THEY ARE C O G N A T E S!! and then fitz gets suuuuper jealous and i start launching like “ha lol nerd”. anyway. SOKEEFE IS AMAZING SO PLEASE I HOPE I CHANGED YOUR MIND TO SEE THE AMAZINGNESS OF SOKEEFE!!

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    • Well, now that I changed ships, I’m going to say SoKeefe.

      Think about it:

      Sophie doesn’t fully trust Fitz. She didn’t tell him about her crush on him until HE told her, which isn’t trust.

      please note that Fitz is my favorite character, and I am in no way putting FITZ at fault. :)

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    • OMG YOU CHANGED SHIPS?! (i wrote the LONG sokeefe argument above your commitment). I AM SO PROUD OF YOU!! GOOD JOB LETS CELEBRATE

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    • So, I am a Sokeefe shipper. Or Keephie. Actually I like Keephie better. Let me restart.

      So, I am a Keephie shipper. Since everyone has already said most if what I would argue to say that Keephie is better than Sophitz then there is one last thing I would like to share that I haven’t seen anyone share yet. (Though, I didn’t actually read ALL of the Keephie arguments). I found this (below) and I copied and pasted it so I don’t get credit for it.

      “Some theories arise that Shannon introduced the Cassius Sencen Head Vs. Heart theory to foreshadow Sophie liking Fitz in her head and Keefe in her heart, but this has not been confirmed.”

      Isnt this interesting?? I never would have noticed that. Well maybe I would have in an alternate universe but...who knows?

      Just wanna know if anyone agrees with the “Sencen Head Vs. Heart Theory” above?? Thanks!

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    • I ship Sofitz. I feel like I can envision them being together more, plus I think they depend and care about each other in a way that I don't see between Sophie and Keefe.

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    • I think that Sophie has feelings for BOTH Fitz and Keefe. But she doesn't realize it yet. I think that there will be a book of when she realizes that. But for now, she only knows that she likes Fitz. Though she stil cares for Keefe very much. Though I know Shanon Messenger loves plot twisting so it also might happen to be that both Keefster and Fitzphie dont work out. But for now, I ship Sofitz! Even though Fitz can be super mad sometimes, he's still an amazing guy. So until later... SOFITZ!!

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    • While I TOTALLY ship Keephie (or Sokeefe , whatever you'd like), I know that Fitzphie (or Sophitz) is definitely going to happen. Sophie has feelings for both boys, but her feelings towards Fitz are stronger. She obviously likes Fitz, and Fitz clearly states that he likes her, but her feelings towards Keefe are more like "Hey, we're friends and that's all there is to it." I'm so sorry to every Sokeefe shipper there is in this KOTLC world.

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    • I freaking love Sokeefe so much. It is unreal. My reasons:

      Keefe has always understood Sophie. And hello? Keefe I will never hate you? OMFG. That is true love at its finest.

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    • And also?

      I love how Sophie always lets Keefe talk to her and Keefe feels comfortable telling Sophie his insecurities. Also, Fitz is waaaaaaaay to perfect. Keefe and Sophie have flaws, but they bring out the best in each other. And Fitz annoys me.

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    • 75.118.35.75 wrote: I didnt read all of the arguments above (since im lazy) so if i repeat something sorry. ok lets get to it... so im sokeefe 100% thank u u should be too heres why sophie and keefe need each other. they are always looking out fir each other and never want to hurt the other. guys, keefe JOINED THE NEVERSEEN for sophie! like dang that’s commitment. and i know theres all of yall who be like “but sophitz is amazing and sophie admits she likes fitz but she never said she likes keefe” ok. great. but you must understand that sophie is one, lets be honest here, CONFUSED little gurl who has all sorts if jumbled thoughts and feelings. she really likes fitz for his face. (well i mean ya cant rly blame her in my mind hes a total hottie). she holds onto those feelings of her crush on fitz for so long she doesn’t know how to let them go (well she ALMOST did but then FITZ had to RUIN IT by bein like “nah girl u still gonna love me” and i almost punched him through the book). a few books into the series sophie starts to like keefe. she doesn’t realize it tho, but again, shes a confused girly. she starts to blush and feel those confusing emotions ya get when you like someone but don’t wanna admit it. and they have all sorts if “moments” in nightfall (then flashback comes along and CRUSHES MY SOKEEFE DREAMS) that are so good and amazing i want to cry from amazement and happiness. so overall sophie just THINKS she likes fitzipoo because hes hot and that’s what shes used to but she really likes keefe because he needs her and she needs him and they balance each other (yes BALANCE i feel like fitz and sophie are a bit too similar so theres no BALANCE in the relationship) and depend on one another and look out for each other ALWAYS and are protective of each other and would do anything for the other and are just soo..... perfect for each other. if y still don’t believe me, look at my short stories below: SOPHITZ RELATIONSHIP: SOPHIE:fitz is hot FITZ: sophies hot FITZ:lets kiss sorry, but no. their relationship is just so...shallow. all bout dem looks.

      SOKEEFE RELATIONSHIP: KEEFE: sophie dont ever leave me or hate me please i need you SOPHIE: i wont ever hate you keefe and im here for you KEEFE: thank u your the only one who understands me see??? if u dont see then ur blind

      also id like to add...there are monents in the book(s) when sophie and keefe are having a *moment* and keefe steps back because of fitz. he knows fitz likes sophie and doesn’t try to get in his way. fitz is a lot more pushy than keefe. keefe just wants sophie to be happy and if fitz makes her happy he’ll deal with it. (SEE??? COMMITMENT!!!) he also wants to make sure sophie is READY for a relationship! (guys keefe is amazing) fitz just kinda...well i cant say since *SPOILERS* but if you read FLASHBACK youll understand. he moves quickly and AFTER he (he meaning fitzipoo) tells sophie she can choose what to do when shes ready. keefe had ALREADY THOUGHT THAT OUT BEFORE he made a move since he KNEW sophie just wasnt ready. (read keefe short story nightfall for evidence) keefe just understands sophie. i mean, dont get me wrong fitz understands her too but u ever thought that was cuz they are C O G N A T E S? keefe understands sophie without them being cognates. AND, i might add, SOPHIE TELLS KEEFE THINGS SHE DOESNT TELL FITZ AND THEY ARE C O G N A T E S!! and then fitz gets suuuuper jealous and i start launching like “ha lol nerd”. anyway. SOKEEFE IS AMAZING SO PLEASE I HOPE I CHANGED YOUR MIND TO SEE THE AMAZINGNESS OF SOKEEFE!!

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    • ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ I love this.

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    • 52.168.5.106 wrote: And also?

      I love how Sophie always lets Keefe talk to her and Keefe feels comfortable telling Sophie his insecurities. Also, Fitz is waaaaaaaay to perfect. Keefe and Sophie have flaws, but they bring out the best in each other. And Fitz annoys me.

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    • 66.220.214.65 wrote: I ship Sofitz. I feel like I can envision them being together more, plus I think they depend and care about each other in a way that I don't see between Sophie and Keefe.


      Umm… Sophie and Keefe don’t depend and care about each other? Think about the prattles pins he gave her, all those moments he tells her to trust him. Sophie and Fitz’s trust has been polished and perfected through trust expertise’s, Sophie and Keefe’s came together through their own moments, through no intervention. Don’t be offended, have your opinion, I just want to point this out.

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    • So personally I am a Sophitz shipper. It just feels right. He’s so sweet and protective of sophie and she has a genuine interest in him. Keefe i think is too irrational and is unstable for her.He jokes a lot sometimes too much and sort of throws himself in her life. But for all you Sokeefe shippers out there i think sokeefe will happen because the Sophitz relationship i think is too early and vulnerable. Shannon kind of threw fitz at sophie towards the end and kind of made fits turn into a more negative character. I liked him a lot more in the beginning when he wasn’t so dependent on Sophie. i feel like all shannon uses him for in the later books is a romantic interest in Sophie. all i think is that there’s another book coming and with the matchless thing going and with fire saying he couldn’t do unmatchable Shannon really paved the way to a breakup. Their cognate relationship will be broken i’m guessing and fitz will fall apart: his character is mostly just fro liking Sophie and since the later books he’s had no room for his character to really show like keefes did

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    • I've only just finished Book 4, so maybe I will change my mind eventually, but so far it's been a solid #SoKeefe for me. I was neutral in Book 1 and even leaned toward Fitz a little, but starting Book 2 I started to really consider SoKeefe as the more satisfying endgame, for the following reasons:

      1) As a previous commenter has noted, Sophitz just feels too... immediate. Like in literally the first chapter, Sophie already has a crush on him, and I remember thinking "Okay, so this is the leading man. They'll end up together eventually." even before I knew anything about Fitz or the kind of relationship he would have with Sophie. Ending with them together despite the availability of other viable love interests feels just... flat... for me. Meanwhile, Keefe started out as the annoying dude that Sophie didn't really see in a romantic way, and then their relationship just evolved. It's a lot more realistic and satisfying if they end up together.

      2) The "love" Sophie feels for Fitz is always just described, but hardly shown. Again, maybe this won't be the case in the books I have yet to read, but in the first 4 books, I definitely had this sense that story is "telling" more than "showing" when it came to Sophitz.

      Consider this- how do we know Sophie likes Fitz? Because she always says/thinks so. On the other hand, how do we even get the notion that Sophie likes Keefe? Beause she acts like it, even without realizing it. One thing that really stood out to me in Book 4 was when they were in the healing tent in Exillium, and Sophie learned that Keefe kissed Biana, and she didn't *think* or *say* that she was jealous or anything, but she couldn't understand why her fists were suddenly clenched so tightly. This is in super stark contrast with almost all Fitz scenes where we are *told* that her heart flutters and she *knows* it's because he's smiling / looking at / complimenting her.

      3) The relationship between Sophie and Fitz almost seems forced. Again, I've ony read up to Book 4 so maybe this will change, but it seems to me like they only ever spend time together and their relationship only grows because of necessity. Fitz found her because it was his job. They do trust exercises because they're Cognates, and the fact that Fitz is the only other Telepath in their group of friends kind of weakens the argument on 'special connection'. I mean, who else is there as an option for a Cognate? Who else will she have a 'special connection' with, when there's no one else with the same ability as hers? Meanwhile, Keefe and Sophie's relationship grows tremendously because of their choices instead of what they need to do, which makes it a lot more meaningful than the 'forced' interactions between Sophie and Fitz.

      A very big example here to mark the difference is when Fitz was depressed in Book 2, he shut Sophie out and to be honest, she didn't do anything much to get him to accept her help. Meanwhile in Book 4, Sophie *actively* tried to push into Keefe's solitary bubble when he was depressed and doing serial killer things in his room, and he too chose to be receptive, even after he became mad at her for hiding things. They didn't need to do that, honestly. The peace of the elvin world did not hinge on Sophie and Keefe's friendship continuing as much as it did Sophie and Fitz learning to work as Cognates. Sophie could have left Keefe to Fitz, the best friend. Or Keefe could have chosen to stay mad. But they worked it out and stayed friends, even without the prodding of necessity.

      This is also the case when they are not in trouble (as much as they can be not in trouble). Keefe actively pursues a friendhsip with Sophie, but Fitz, not so much. He seriously receded from prominence in the books after Book 1 (but then again maybe I'm just not updated and this will change in Book 5, but seriously, what message does it say that Keefe *has* to be out of the picture before any real progress can be made between Sophie and Fitz?), while Keefe has entire arcs dedicated to him.

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