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  • Pick your sides!  There are strong arguments for both, and you can help me decide which.

    "Oralie snapped her fingers and a small glass sphere appeared in her palm. Sophie hadn't realized Oralie was a Conjurer. "Your cache?" Alden said, taking a step back."

    Honestly, she could be pulling it out of the void with a codeword (maybe a nonverbal one), but then why would she snap her fingers, and why would Shannon Messenger specifically say that she IS a Conjurer?

    The choice is yours.  You decide.

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    • she is it says in NEVERSEEN Sophie did not relize Oriale was a conjurer and empath

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    • i think shes a conjurer and empath

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    • And I think Oralie conjures other objects as well. idk what, I'd have to look into it.

      -Chloe

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    • actually i think she is not because anyone can pull a cache  out of the viod. in neverseen keefe pulled kenrics cache  out of the viod and hes not a conjurer

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    • I know but SM says IN THE ACTUAL BOOK that Oralie was a conjurer-

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    • ^ I'm pretty sure Oralie explains to Sophie how she did it and said she was not a conjurer. Can't remember when though, I'll have to have a look.

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    • but everyone can pull a cache out of the viod 

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    • Yea, canollilover. She just pulled the cache out of the void. She is NOT a Conjurer. 

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    • But in Legacy she does it again

      And SM says specifically that she is a conjurer

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    • Yeah Oralie is a Conjurer

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    • Cannolilover kitkat wrote:
      she is it says in NEVERSEEN Sophie did not relize Oriale was a conjurer and empath

      no. She's not a conjurer. Another conjurer helped her put the caches into the void. Anyone can do it. Just like how sophie put Kenric's caches in the void in neverseen after being helped by Edaline. 

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    • Cora the Guster wrote:
      But in Legacy she does it again

      And SM says specifically that she is a conjurer

      Where in Legacy? I've just finished reading it and double checked the scene I think you were talking about to make sure if it mentioned if she was a Conjurer. Actually, there are two scenes I'm thinking of and I don't know why one you're refering to. But in one of them, it clearly states she uses telekinesis and Sophie feels guilty because she forgets she can use her skills sometimes. Let me just check the other scene you might be refering to. And nope, even in the second scene I'm thinking of, with the cache, it says absolutely NOWHERE that she is a Conjurer. I have checked the scene multiple times. It says she clicks her fingers, yes, but that is how people get things from the void. To further prove my point, I have checked Neverseen too, where she first presents Kenric's cache. Sophie says she hadn't realised Oralie was a Conjurer but this was later disproven when it says that ANYONE can pull a cache out of the void. Plus, it is very rare to have more than one ability, unless you're a Polyglot.

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    • Also, just because Sophie says it doesn't mean that SM says it and that it's cannon because it is disproven.

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    • Yeah bc if she was a conjured than why hasn’t she pulled anything else out of the void except her cache or conjured weapons or anything in legacy when they all you-know-what and you-know-where

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    • -Potatohead

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    • She's not. Just the same what happened with Edaline putting Kenrics cache in the void.

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    • The verbal cue, as I recall, was a safeguard command so that if Sophie lost concentration she could just say that and the cache would appear; however, she could also pull the cache out by snapping if she wanted to. I’ll have to double-check the book to make sure though

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    • Oralie is not a confirmed conjurer. We cannot add "conjurer" to her page on the wiki until/unless it is confirmed in the book.

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    • I think that the Concillors have Conjurers help them with the cashes (tie the string from their head to the cache) so that if they need them, they can get them. (In Neverseen, Edaline helps Sophie with Kenric's cache). I think we need Oralie to confirm that she is a Conjurer before we add it.

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    • I think she's not actually a conjurer, Sophie just *thought* she was a conjurer. 

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    • Didn't it say something in Lodestar about how Oralie somehow got Mr. Forkle's body away though?

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    • Mr. Forkle told Oralie how to contact Wraith, and Wraith was able to sneak into the ruins and bring the body back to one of the Black Swan's hideouts.

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    • Mint-chocolate-mallowmelt wrote:
      I think she's not actually a conjurer, Sophie just *thought* she was a conjurer. 

      Yep. Agreed. We may not agree about ships, (SOKEEFE), but we agree on this. 

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    • Definetly a conjurer

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    • Cora the Guster wrote:
      I know but SM says IN THE ACTUAL BOOK that Oralie was a conjurer-

      No she said that Sophie thought she was a conjurer

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    • 2605:E000:121E:951:68FB:9FDE:112B:6570 wrote:
      Yeah bc if she was a conjured than why hasn’t she pulled anything else out of the void except her cache or conjured weapons or anything in legacy when they all you-know-what and you-know-where

      really good point. unless she was trying to keep it secret or something, but i see no point in that.

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    • Idk exactly- but if you hide a cache in the void otherwise you wouldn't snap your fingers, you'd use a password, but on the other hand maybe a password was a snap? AhAHHaHAh why is is this so unclear?

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    • No I don't thinks she is a conjurer. If she was she wouldn't keep it a secret, and we know it's common knowlage that she's a Empath, because of when people talk about her. But they never say she was a conjurer. Shannon said Sophie thought she was a conjurer and it was strongly implied that she was wrong because they never mentioned it again after the first time. In Leagacy when Sophie was thinking about how her mom, she got the idea that she was an empath. When thinking after she found out about Oraile being her mom afterword, she thought it made since for a empath to be her mom. If Oraile was an congerir, she would have thought about how it made sence for a empath and conferee to be her mom

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    • I think she’s a Conjurer.

      Empathy is a useful ability, but I’m not sure it by itself would be enough to land her on the Council. Also, ***HUGE LEGACY SPOILER ALERT*** It’s possible the Black Swan would’ve wanted her as Sophie’s biological mother because she manifested twice, and they wanted someone like that as Sophie’s parent. ***END OF SPOILER WARNING***

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    • Yea but most councilors only have one ability Since haveing two is so rare unless your a polyglot.

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    • Having two is RARE but not impossible. I think that maybe she has two abilities and that’s why she was asked to be on the Council.

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    • But there are no known people to have multiple ability's without one being a polyglot. (Keefe doesn't count because he was modified) The councle does not go by how many ability's you have as long as you have one. Or else they wouldn't let clarette in who is just a polyglot. Also there are no councilors  to have multiple ability's that we know of, so it seem unlikely for her to be an exseption. Also even if she does have another one, why Conjurer? The only thing she has don't like a conjuer is something that nonconurer people can do. It seems just as likely for her to be something else

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    • Cora the Guster wrote:
      Pick your sides!  There are strong arguments for both, and you can help me decide which.

      "Oralie snapped her fingers and a small glass sphere appeared in her palm. Sophie hadn't realized Oralie was a Conjurer. "Your cache?" Alden said, taking a step back."

      Honestly, she could be pulling it out of the void with a codeword (maybe a nonverbal one), but then why would she snap her fingers, and why would Shannon Messenger specifically say that she IS a Conjurer?

      The choice is yours.  You decide.

      No. I do not think she is a Conjurur. I think a Conjurur helped her secure Kenric's cache in the void, like Edaline did with Sophie a few chapters later, and she could remove it only once,

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    • Cora the Guster wrote:
      Pick your sides!  There are strong arguments for both, and you can help me decide which.

      "Oralie snapped her fingers and a small glass sphere appeared in her palm. Sophie hadn't realized Oralie was a Conjurer. "Your cache?" Alden said, taking a step back."

      Honestly, she could be pulling it out of the void with a codeword (maybe a nonverbal one), but then why would she snap her fingers, and why would Shannon Messenger specifically say that she IS a Conjurer?

      The choice is yours.  You decide.

      Maybe becuase she is Sophies mom and Sophie has more than one ability

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    • Gildie-Everblaze wrote:
      The verbal cue, as I recall, was a safeguard command so that if Sophie lost concentration she could just say that and the cache would appear; however, she could also pull the cache out by snapping if she wanted to. I’ll have to double-check the book to make sure though

      Nope, Im on that book yur rite

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    • Annatheshade wrote:
      No I don't thinks she is a conjurer. If she was she wouldn't keep it a secret, and we know it's common knowlage that she's a Empath, because of when people talk about her. But they never say she was a conjurer. Shannon said Sophie thought she was a conjurer and it was strongly implied that she was wrong because they never mentioned it again after the first time. In Leagacy when Sophie was thinking about how her mom, she got the idea that she was an empath. When thinking after she found out about Oraile being her mom afterword, she thought it made since for a empath to be her mom. If Oraile was an congerir, she would have thought about how it made sence for a empath and conferee to be her mom

      It even said that when edaline showed her how to acsess the cache, sophie realized fow oralie had made the cahe apper

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