Board Thread:Clubs/@comment-38195691-20191127162526/@comment-68.98.145.50-20200122163250

SoKeepherOfTheLostCities wrote: BlackSwanSRM wrote: YIKES. I just scrolled through this whole thread and at first I was like "Wow, so respectful and orderly" and then it just kinda... Got overwhelming...So many different thoughts and so many OPINIONS and no bible verses.... Yikes. Man, I want to add my thoughts, but I don't even know where to start.

One thought I DID want to add is just to add on to the abortion debate... I'm not sure you guys will read this, but I just want to say, remember the mom too. My aunt had an abortion (she got pregnant at 18) and she is prolife because of all of the sadness she experienced afterward. She said she was fine dealing with the guilt for a while, but the moment she started trying to have kids it all came rushing back and crippled her. She now works to help other women deal with the guilt. One of her biggest arguments against abortion is the impact it has on the women who have them. So if we are going to take into account that this effects the life of the mom, don't forget that having an abortion can very seriously negatively affect them as well.

And also, two of my best friends have moms who were told to abort them because they would have medical complications. Neither of them have a thing wrong with them. Don't forget that people can be greedy and that abortions cost money.

Okay, added my thoughts, moving on Aah, sorry if this turns into a whole abortion debate again. This is just a pretty controversial matter. Yes, I completely see where you are coming from. There is both positive and negative to that situation. When you say, "Remember the mom too", I'm not really sure what that means, since I think we're only looking at the mother. I personally think that the male in the relationship deserves little say in that situation, but that's getting sidetracked. My thoughts on abortion lie strictly on how the woman got pregnant, and what age she is. If the woman is under 18 (like in your unfortunate example), I believe that, by all means, an abortion is necessary. Imagine yourself (I'm going to assume you are in the 12-15 range, but correct me if I'm wrong) undergoing pregnancy. Imagine the stress of a child developing in you, when you're not fully developed yourself. The money, pain, and mentality that you would sacrifice because of something you neither asked for, nor wanted. When you get older, perhaps that way of thinking will change, but again, let's not forget that we're talking about kids in this example.

Also, what would the child have to sacrifice? Yeah, I see some examples of unusual situations, but a successful and healthy birth from a 12-year-old? I doubt it. The baby would also suffer, from sickness to possible death.

Then again, I can also see the grief that a mother would go through if she wanted the child. I mean, if she wanted the child, I would assume that she would have been forced to get an abortion, because otherwise that wouldn't make sense, but I see your point. You then go onto saying, "Don't forget that people can be greedy and that abortions cost money." Abortion does cost money, but it starts at $400 up to $1000. That is absolutely not a lot, considering that American parents spend, on average, $233,610 on child costs from birth until the age of 17, not including college for one kid. And college is another extra few ten thousand +, depending on where you plan to go. Guys, do you know how small the percents of abortions actually are from rape? One of my church leaders was talking about this, and unfortunately I don't have it written down, but I think it was less than a percent. The majority of reasons people get abortions is not because they're life is going to be in mortal danger, it's because they don't want the baby.

Yes, it gets messy when things happen that you didn't plan, if you were to get pregnant. Maybe it's not your fault. But the baby is a human too, and no matter how scary or hard the circumstances are, it's not at all your right to take away the life of that human. The baby is a human. That baby that people try to call "a clump of cells" is alive, and if you kill him or her, you're killing a person.

I have to admit, if I was ever put in a situation like this, I'd be terrified. I'm already scared about what it'd be like to have a kid in normal circumstances, but if I ever had to go through what we are talking about, I'd be terrifed. But I know that God can give me the strength I need to make the right choice. And I know I have people around me who would understand my situation and would be there to support me through it.

Abortion is the leading cause of death in America guys. Think about the abortions that happen each day. What if someone had chosen to let their child live instead of killing him or her? What if because they chose to kill them, you missed out on a very close relationship you would've had with that person? Doesn't that make you sad at all? Or angry?

-NinjaTeddyBear