Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37530514-20181213020428/@comment-37719459-20190107142427

^^^Ok, I have a counter for all of this.

"I like Fitz's sweetness and I quote Edaline, "smitten"-ness. And he's always checking on Sophie and telling her that if she wants to wait, he'll be okay with that. Even if he doesn't want to wait, he is constatnly letting her know how much he cares about her and will always be there. Sometimes though, I wish Sophie could be a tiny bit more bold, even though I'd do most of what she does in situations like that–or I'd say something dumber. Like when she felt like she had to ask to hold Fitz's hand (i would have done it too), and he said she never has to ask to do that. I thought that was incredibly sweet. And one of the things that I really love about them, is how Fitz is always making Sophie feel special. Not in a way where he's trying to kiss-up to her or is constatnly like, "sophie you're so pretty and cute and wonderful and amazing". No, he does that more through his actions, which is a great thing. But he's lets her know just enough to boost her self-condifindence, which she really needs. And he does thinks she's beautiful, but his feelings for Sophie aren't shallow and they run deeper than just her appearance. And he doesn't think she should just fall for him, like a ton of girls at Foxfire do. In the Fitz Chapter in Flashback, he even made it sound like he sometimes thinks he's not good enough for her. I think that is what makes them so perfect. And wow, this was long. '''Yes, I agree mostly with this, and I would like Fitz a lot more if that was the ONLY thing he did. However, it's.....not. Maybe people are getting tired of this, but he has anger issues. At points it seems like a borderline toxic relationship. Yes, half the time (I guess more than half) he's nice to her, but the other part is when he gets upset and hurts everyone around him. It almost seems as if he doesn't have enough self control to stop from hurting her, which is when I ask myself, "How much does he really like her?"'''

-Roses Are Red"

"Ok- maybe this is just me, but I am STRONGLY bothered by Keefe sending Sophie "cool breezes". Like ok- I get why he did it the first time in the sparring match, but why does he ALWAYS have to do it when she's stressed. It feels creepy. To me, it's as if he's saying, "Oh no! Sophie's slightly upset! Let me go send fake emotions into her brain!" It's ok to feel things other than happy, and everyone is having a hard time, but nope, it;s just her who gets the breezes.  Also, I don't get why Sophie even allows it! When Alden's mind broke, she was freaking out so Elwin gave her a medicin that gave her fake emotions and she hated it! She was feeling emotions that weren't her own, and it's kind of like taking a sedative/drug.

I know that I am probably looking at this from a completely different perspective, but it just jumped out at me. Also please don't be offended if you disagree. I totally respect your oppinion. What do people think?

- harrypotterhead"

'''I could use a mental breeze myself right about now....... Ok, his mental breezes saved her many times. Think back to Atlantis. She would've never been able to concentrate enough to levitate AND enhance Linh. And it's not really a "fake" emotion that he's sending. He's getting rid of the bad ones so that she can focus. I'm answering the next paragraph as well. The sedative Elwin gave her was actually sending happy emotions to her. There's a very difference between the two. He does it when she's stressed because she gets stressed VERY frequently in important situations, and thus it is important to calm her down so that she can help.'''

"You know what REALLY annoys me?

SoKeefe shippers saying that Sophie likes Fitz in the head and Keefe in the heart, and that the heart will win.....

Honestly.....

It's the opposite. Its Fitz in the heart and Keefe in the head.

I mean, Sophie likes Keefe, (Which I think is because Keefe is using his empath abilities to make her like him in the head, because do you think that ALL Keefe can do is make Sophie feel relaxed? (I think he's making her love him)) but listen to THIS.

When Sophie gets gloves in Lodestar, she says she can still feel that flutter in her heart. In the HEART.

But does Sophie get flutters when Keefe is around? No.

I know you are going to say she does, so here's my response.

PROVE IT >:)"  K, I will.  First of all, yes, she's gotten "flutters in the heart" from only Fitz, yes, but "Hummingbird mode" from Keefe.  It happens when she's around both of them, although Keefe less frequently, because he doesn't push for that kind of thing.  I'll copy paste it from the Wiki page below.  Meanwhile, I'd like to talk about this..."argument".  So there is a claim you have (but the parentheses need to be dealt with.  I'll do it below.), one paraphrased piece of evidence, and another misguided claim--oh WAIT!  Never mind; it's NOT misguided, because it was put into the form of a RHETORICAL QUESTION!  (Sorry, I'm really mad about the parentheses-ed claim.)  

'''And here's the other part: Pretty much every association she has with Fitz is IN THE HEART. Examples:'''

1. They're cognates (Head)

2. She trusts him instinctively (head)

I could go on and on, but those are pretty much the only associations she has with Fitz I cold think of off the top of my head.

Moving on.

'''Do you know who Keefe is? Have you read the books? Keefe is, by FAR, the most selfless person in KOTLC. You seriously think that, just because he SENDS HER MENTAL BREEZES TO HELP HER, that he's MANIPULATING HER EMOTIONS TO "MAKE" HER LIKE HIM?'''

This is wrong on SO many levels.

'''First of all, he can't just decide, "I want Sophie to like me today" and send her those emotions. You can't "MAKE" love. Do you know what that means? Love is the most powerful emotion known to man, and you're saying that Keefe MADE IT UP for Sophie so he would like her?'''

"Well it sure ain't Tam or Dex, and I feel like Fitz is

1. More grounded mentally And Keefe doesn't have anyone to fix him--Sophie's too busy with FItz, Fitz is too busy with Sophie, and no one else really knows  him very well.

2.  Shows he likes her without all that teasing garbage '''Garbage? GARBAGE? That's half of what makes the series good! It's his way of coping. It's his way of being "subtle". He told her himself that he never joked with her. All that he says is true.'''

3. Bakes for her! '''Keefe isn't a baker. Keefe made a MUCH more meaningful gift. Fitz decided that he would make something for her. So he randomly made ripplefluffs. Keefe, on the other hand, noticed that she didn't have anything to decorate her room with, so he painted for her.'''

4. He is her cognate  Which just goes to show that they're associated IN THE HEAD.

5.  He is the first elf she met, whom she trusts the most  '''Instinctively, yes. See above. She trusts Keefe more in the sense that she talks about things willingly to him, not because they have to do "cognate exercises.'''

Those are just the top 5 reasons😀. I'd like to hear more.

∆JayBei the telepath"

"

I'm getting kind of sick of Sokeefe shippers calling Sophitz cliche. It's not, and here's why:

I've read A LOT of romance, and I know that the most popular cliche that authors use in their book is

Red is main character

Blue is the first crush

Green is the bad boy with issues

Red is in love with Blue, but he doesn't pay attention to her. Eventually, she notices Green, a dangerous bad boy that opens up to Red and tells her that she's the only one that knows about his family issues. Then, Green starts becoming needy and they are living happily ever after.

I think Sokeefe is Red and Green. Therefore, they are cliche."

-ReaditAll

'''Ok, some things have to be cliche! For example, you could argue that the good guys win is cliche! This is a cliche because "green" needs help, and no one will give it to him.'''