Talk:Alvar Soren Vacker/@comment-37879183-20190505191918/@comment-39957185-20191125214738

Ok my counters to your argument.

1. Uh..... The neverseen killed people. Like actually killed them. If thats not evil, i don't know what is. And they get things done by hurting or killing people. Installing fear in them. That practically screams E'''VIL PSYCHOPATH MURDER GROUP. '''And also, Brant KILLED JODIE. Brant has done countless horrible things. He deserves to die. And didn't Mr. Forkle get killed doing that?

2. His family does not love him? Theres a reason for that. He helped KILL AND MURDER people. He got sooooooo many chances! theres only so many times you can trust someone to not betray them!

3. Yeah, exactly. Alvar was in the Neverseen for WAAAAAY longer. He had plenty of chances to redeem himself. But sophie and her friends? They were doing the right thing. By ending this horrible Neverseen thing. And to stop the rebels from making chaos throughout the lost cities.

4. Sophie and her friends abused ''him? ''Uh....... I don't even remember HOW many times Alvar tried to kill or hurt them. I think you got that switched around......

5. Key word: "could be". They are most likely not accountable for killing and torturing people, pretty sure only the neverseen does that.