Talk:Sophie and Fitz/@comment-2600:1700:CED1:2390:F036:6FFC:5F9E:CF14-20190615152610/@comment-37539490-20190616190727

To Mintie, about the Keefe argument While this is an understandable argument, and I can’t disagree Keefe has made some serious mistakes, this post is not factual.

You’re assuming that if Keefe NEVER existed, you would still end up at the same ending point. But that’s not true in real life, and a good writer like Shannon Messenger would knows that.

You see, this whole type of argument is completely invalid because WE CAN’T KNOW how to calculate it. What if that one decision Keefe made is the reason the Black Swan exists. Yes, I believe it’s unlikely, but none of us can be sure of that. What if all the bad decisions Keefe made are the reasons that Sophie and her friends are still alive. Maybe those decisions he made seemed bad in that instance, but they could be the exact reason there’s still good people. And yes, I realize this seems a little crazy, and you might after reading this, roll your eyes and say I’m making this deeper than this is. But you can’t just assume that if Keefe never existed, things would be better, because from our perspective of Shannon’s story, we don’t know anything like that. And I realize I’m applying to real life, and that it’s different in a book series, but it has the same concept. A character makes a decision, good or bad, that leads to more decisions, good or bad, and then more, etc. A bad decision that was made could be the reason a good one was.

Also, in these instances, you’re going to ignore the good reasons Keefe was there and just state the bad reasons. You’re also looking for quantity—The character with the largest number of good deeds is the best character, right? But maybe it’s that one good thing that Keefe keeps doing, even if it’s one next to the hundreds of bad decisions, that makes his character truly honest. Also, maybe Keefe’s imperfections are a reason that others can love him.

Also, how can we truly, factually say Keefe is a less important character? The series isn’t even over yet! Legacy might just prove Keefe is even more important than Sophie—WE JUST DON’T KNOW!

So Fitzphies, keep in mind when you write arguments like this, that they are NOT going to be factual. If you chose to write one, fine, but PLEASE DON’T DEFEND IT LIKE IT’S FACT. Trust me, nothing would give this obsessed Keephie more pleasure than to write a list of reasons why our lovely Fitzroy should be dead, but it wouldn’t be true. There are so many variables it’s incalculable.

ALWAYS REMEMBER NOT TO MIX UP OPINION WITH FACT. THEY ARE VERRRY DIFFERENT.

Please keep this in mind, and feel free to correct me. I want to answer your every doubt of this article.

- RoKnows

P.S, @AFandomUser: You also can’t assume KEEFE is the reason the series is long, just because he’s made some pretty bad decisions. You’re assuming because this happened, it’s the cause of this. KEEP IN MIND SHANNON MESSENGER WANTS THE SERIES TO BE LONG. Maybe it’s simply because she chose it to be! DON’T BLAME KEEFE. Also, I don’t understand why you think Keefe “hijacked” the series. He’s honestly as big as a character as Fitz! The series is DEFINITELY still about Sophie... Dude it’s in HER perspective for goodness sakes. P.S.S, @AFandomUser: Just because other people hate on Fitz doesn’t give you the right to hate on Keefe. That’s a tu quo que fallacy—look it up.