Thread:Lowkey done with life/@comment-37869175-20181224194711/@comment-37869175-20190109015749

@Loki

Okay, I hope that it's alright that I reply to what you said to both me and BlackSwanSRM. But anyways, here goes nothing...

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. But I understand that it's very hard to talk about.

It's okay, my dad is pretty much better now, he just has symptoms sometimes. But anyways...

Okay, do you have any proof for saying that God doesn't exist? Is there anything that you can say for certain? I know that there's not. It's just not possible to say that for sure no God exists. It's saying that something that cannot necessarily be proven doesn't exist. Most scientific theories cannot absolutely be proven, does that mean we rule them out? No, a lot of them are things that we take as truth. And seriously, I believe that there is proof that God exists. But don't take my word for it. Please, really, watch that video. It's extremely logical proof of God. Please. I can't explain it. But please just watch the video.

And you said that babies don't come out of the womb naturally theistic. No, but there is something in the human nature that longs for God, for something to satisfy that emptiness that can only be filled by Him. That's why religion has been around since the beginning of civilization. We need that, as humans, in our lives. Even if we don't have religion, we always put something else on the pedestal to try to fill that emptiness. Science, Politics. Power. Sex. Selfish desires. You name it. It's just ingrained into us as a species, because we need something to guide us, something to show us where to go, something to hold on to, something to believe in, And the only adequate source of that is God. Because none of those things are perfect, are all-good. None of them are infinite. None of them aren't subject to change. So none of them really mean anything. That's one of the many reasons why we need religion in our lives.

And no, I meant things that are beyond science. Things that we simply cannot compehend.

Okay, you're thinking of this so wrong. You're underestimating the afterlife. I said those babies are probably in heaven. Heaven, not hell. They are in eternal happiness with God. God would never send an innocent little baby like that to hell. And you said that everyone who doesn't believe in God is in hell. Not necesarily. Good people who were trying to do the right thing, even if it wasn't for God, are sometimes in heaven. It simply depends on the person. And as we said before, people are literally damning themselves to hell. They are choosing to turn away from God. Hell isn't necessarily fire and physical torture and lava and all that. It probably isn't even a physical place. It's absence of God. Which is about the worst thing I could think of. But someone could literally be in a living hell, just because they choose to turn away form God and from light and from truth and goodness and beauty.

And if you're following one of the Christian views of things, one of the reasons there's suffering is because of Adam. Adam was in paradise, with no death or suffering, just complete union with God. But Adam had free will, and he chose evil, thus dooming the race to suffering, because He chose it to be like that.

I'll admit, there's tons of suffering in the world. But God isn't "whipping up a hurricane." Sure, He could stop it, but nature is the one doing that, not Him. He doesn't intervene like that. and even if He did, like I said, sometimes suffering is necessary to know good. And you said "God can punish them". Sometimes He does. There's suffering for murderers, too, which can sometimes be directly from God. But they are punished in Hell, because they chose to be. That's where they're punished, because they chose to turn away from the light. And that's eternal punishment, so it matters much more than earthly punishment.

And sometimes suffering happens so that people can learn to love, to be good, to be kind, to be selfless. Because of hurricanes, people have had to learn how to be selfless and help the people who suffered. If everything was happy and perfect all the time, it would be very easy to love God and love other humans. But with suffering, we are selfish. We need to learn to love God and others no matter what our circumstances are, not just when it's easy.

But sometimes even murderers don't go to Hell. Because God can forgive them. I fthey truly repent, no matter what they've done, God can forgive them, because He loves us '''just that much. '''

As to what you said about God drowning a city, (which I think is true) weren't you just talking about punishment? According to the story, everyone in that city was evil, and they needed to die as part of God's plan. Also, not everything in the Bible is absolute Truth, some of the stories are just that: stories. With meaning and metaphors of course, but sometimes just stories.

And God took the punishment for us because He loves us, and that's how much He was willing to endure so that we could be saved. And that was the only way we could be saved, because He offered Himself as a sacrifice: the only sacrifice that could suffice, because it was the only infinite one.